Will my Frenchie really only live til 6 years ?

[Jessiesthedog]

I spoke with a breeder today who suggested my girl would live til 6 max. I was quite taken a back

Well I guess humans ‘wants’ must be met. God forbid they’re told no if it means exploiting animals. 🙄Ffs

And in the real world?

@DancingInHisShirt.

It happened, I know a few people whose dogs had one litter and they’ve all been fine. I’m not saying people don’t exploit their dogs but I don’t understand why people get so horrified at the idea of a pregnant dog even if everything is done right. It’s like they see the dog as a child. Bizzare.

You do realise if dogs 'met in the wild' they'd have sex and produce litters?

They’re not in the wild. And we have an increasing number of dog fertility centres popping up.

They would breed naturally though and not have flat faces, elongated spines etc

You’ve seen a few have you? I’ve dealt with thousands. Everyone is an ethical breeder or only having one litter and they’re doing it to improve the breed...except they’re not.

So @DancingInHisShirt please tell me why a dog that has been genetically tested - as has the sire - having one litter with the best of veterinary care is a “poor dog”?

Presumably, if a human desire is to ensure a bitch is mated and this is wrong, spaying and neutering is also wrong.

I mean, I don’t think it’s my place to decide whether to remove my dogs reproductive parts in light of this revelation.

Humans make choices for pet dogs. The aim is to make responsible and ethical choices where breeding is for the betterment of the breed. But I’m not going too far down that rabbit hole again.

You need it explaining why genetically testing a dog, bringing a dog to your dog with the purpose of impregnating it because you want a puppy (you said you did) isn’t exploiting your dog? The deliberate pregnancy, the pain of birth, the stress many feel as a mum etc.

So yeah, poor dog. Mine will spend all that time in the park, running through rivers and digging on the beach.

Ownership isn’t a right to exploit. But as usual humans are disappointing. They can hide behind the excuse of passing on good genes and cute pups though.

I was referring to a pp who'd said she was going to bred from her healthy terrier, and in my opinion that would be ok.

I'm not backing backyard breeders of frenchies. I drove 180 miles 3 years ago to buy an incredibly weak 9 month male who was fully intact, who was being marketed as a potential stud. I bought him, and with a frenchie rescue charity had him neutered and then drove 3 hours for him to meet his new family.

Decent breeders are fine in my eyes.

Decent breeders are fine in my eyes.

Decent breeders? I’ve been involved with thousands, from prosecutions to rescuing. These decent breeders, I’ve met maybe 2 in 25 years. Maybe.

the stress many feel as a mum etc

She’s a dog, anthropomorphism isn’t a cogent argument. How do you think your dog came into existence? The stork? Found under a gooseberry bush?

You really should read up, speak to some experts. Yes, many dogs feel stress in pregnancy, birth and when they are a mum. Did you say your dog is pregnant? But you’re this clueless. Even some of the worst breeders I’ve met are aware it happens and of the signs to look out for.

She’s not stressed. She’s happily enjoying life. Eating well, sleeping well, playing, going for a long walk every day. She’s pampered if anything. Your prejudice is absurd. You maintain you’re a dog lover but they’d be extinct if you had your way.

What did you think would happen when you chose a dog based on how it looked?

Nooooo, you were referring to dogs breeding in the wild. Totally different!

Hopefully you realise dogs can become stressed when pregnant, giving birth and in those weeks of looking after her pups. You can’t just says she’s a dog, it happens. You sound clueless, this isn’t about humanising dogs, this is about realising they feel emotions. Even as dogs! Imagine that. I would hope she is well looked after when you see her as something to do with as you wish and produce pups for your wants. Not prejudice, just met all the types of ‘breeders’ imaginable in my line of work.

I misinterpreted your comment, apologies. I agree. Frenchies only exist due to human intervention.

I was replying to dancing who seems to be against all dog reproduction. But maybe I've misunderstood that too.

Our frenchie is 12 years of: no issues and loved like our 4th child. We adopted him as a 6 month old pup as owner died. Couldn’t be loved any more and he’s the happiest loveliest little man ever 💙🥰

Some of the posts on this thread have made me think - not about the morality of frenchies, I’m clear on that (I don’t agree with the breeding of them) but the posts on breeding in general.

I have always believed that my dogs came from loving breeders. We have stayed in touch, they really seem to love and take pride in my dogs just as they love and take pride in their own. But the posts here about pregnancy etc have made me think. I have a six month old baby and I HATED being pregnant. I detested every second. I love my baby so much but my god, I hated pregnancy with every fibre of my being and I have never considered that a dog might feel like that too - and I CHOSE to get pregnant. Maybe this is derailing the thread and I’m not inviting discussion to make that worse - but it has given me food for thought.

Then you got lucky re his long life. Individual exceptions don’t change the fact that frenchies do statistically have more health issues and a shorter life expectancy than most other dogs.
Glad it worked out for you though as it was kind to adopt him.

I have no experience at all in this area. But I’d rather listen to someone who actually has that knowledge like @DancingInHisShirt than a thousand “but my dog is is life / baby / world” types.

I'm definitely not a " breeder" but we had an oopsy litter. And yes just the one. Our girl has already been desexed since. ( btw it almost killed her as they stuffed up the operation and the vet had to stay with her until 1 in the morning).
We had always left our Dutch SHepherd entire as he is a total doll, is never out of our sight and they are renowned for dying under general anesthetic.
Once we bought my female lab we took her to a vet and they said that the best advice now was to let her have a season / get to 18 months and then bring her back before they would desex her. We managed that once.
Second time obviously we miscalculated and she got pregnant.
She had 9 puppies. Completely naturally. My goodness labs have easy births!
After that my DH and I sat with them every night ( literally tag teaming - they were never alone - we set up a huge whelping box in the middle of our house ) and feeding them formula in bottles then from bowls for months.
So after 10 weeks , we sold all but one as we were always going to keep our fave. We could have sold more and for more money but if it was a lovely family we knocked off a few hundred.. As it is I am super happy where they all went. Happy local families who all send us photos as they grow.
I'm not sure we made a dollar.
Interestingly 2 of them were sold to vets!
Hybrid vigour is a real thing that they must believe in.