Will my Frenchie really only live til 6 years ?

[Jessiesthedog]

I spoke with a breeder today who suggested my girl would live til 6 max. I was quite taken a back

If it stops just one person from considering frenchies (or other cruel breeds) the thread is a win.

A result of the DVL2 mutation which also causes deformation of the vertebrae further up the spine. It’s not just that they can’t breathe, their whole bodies are torturous.

Well you learn something new every day!

It’s a bit like which came first, the chicken or the egg!
yes she was born but you then brought her home so the breeder made his money. If nobody bought the dog, the breeder wouldn’t make any money and wouldn’t breed them anymore! But you bought the dog so they’ll now breed again to make more money and another idiot will think the same as you and on it goes!

Oh come off it. I’m sure you don’t lack the social awareness to know that how you make a point will influence the impression is has. This would matter to you if that was your aim. And if your aim was primarily making changes for the health of dog breeding.

If you know better, you do better as they say.

On Mumsnet, there are a lot of people who like to put the boot in if they see an opportunity or just feel superior. And the dog board has a reputation for people being rude and nasty.

I'm with you, Sarah. Too late for recrimination: it's done now, and the most productive outcome would be to absorb as much information as possible about how best to care for the dog and give it as comfortable a life as possible.

OP has learned a painful enough lesson - at a cost to her as well as the dog - without the obligatory virtual kicking delivered by MN.

I've had dachs in the past but would never have one now. I always looked for shorter backed dogs because the thing about them for me was not their length but their feistiness and character. Two of my dachs- brothers but not litter brothers- lived to 20 and 21.
20 years ago you hardly ever saw them but now they're everywhere. And the worst possible thing that can happen to a breed is to become fashionable. I've started to see dachshunds with underhung jaws and exaggerated cabriole legs, nothing like the happy energetic dogs I had. That's what's happened to the Frenchies. If you look at the historic ones - those of Colette and Nancy Mitford for instance - they look like different animals. They are longer in the snout and leg and not so deep in the chest.
My otherwise even-tempered collie bitch is scared of Frenchies and pugs and will attack them, especially if she's with her son.

And don't get me started on Merle dogs. I've had blue merle collies in the past - one of only three breed groups that are naturally merle, but now it's being bred into other breeds. Again, it's fashionable. It's a recessive gene and it needs to be handled with knowledge about genetics and extreme caution. Merles are lovely but essentially they are freaks.
Unfortunately most puppy farming seems to be in Ireland. I do wish it could be stringent policed.
One little bit of encouragement, OP. My vet has just bought a Frenchie, which is really unusual as vets generally despise brachycephalic dogs. He's always had Boston terriers, but he branching out. He was careful about the breeder, obviously, but I'll be interested to see how that dog fares. I hope your dog does well, but I'm afraid I can't help judging you.

Quite

No breeder is responsible when so many dogs are without a home. Waiting for a family. And breeders only breed for money 100 percent

And breeders only breed for money 100 percent

Obviously you’re wrong. Our JRT is pregnant, there’s a waiting list of our friends for the puppies and we’re giving them away. Her genes are too good not to pass on and we want a puppy for ourselves. Then she’s being spayed.

Yes, they were selectively breed with deformed spines and the related issues as the stumpy or screw tail was more desirable. They would have been much better off with a normal spine and their tail hacked off instead.

I've seen ones that have hardly even a stump. Basically just a bum hole at the back. Such strange looking creatures.

I hate the bum holes permanently on display.

Yeah me too. I prefer a substantial tail to cover it.

So these dogs have been bred to look like a cicada, how cute.

But you can’t actually think that the vast majority of people breeding dogs are not doing it to make money.

Your dogs genes don’t need to be passed on and as for wanting a puppy, that’s a selfish reason to put your dog through pregnancy and birth. At work, we’ve just had a litter of 7 puppies in, their mum died shortly after giving birth due to a complication. 2 pups have died, the remaining 5 are being hand reared as they have no mum. Totally selfish.

These dog are in pain all the time. I don't say the things I say to 'feel superior', but to combat the ignorance a lot of people claim to have (I hope they have in a way because the alternative is apathy and that's worse IMO) but they're literally bred to be deformed, because humans like what they look like.
It's a vile practice and the people behind it are evil.

The only thing us mere mortals can do is raise awareness and stop filling the pockets of those who encourage it.

your dogs genes are too good not to be passed on

ffs ive heard it all now

Yup, Plug from the Beano!

Pekes and Pugs have been around a long time before they arrived here, whereas the French Bulldog originated here/france (the lace weavers who went to france took their little bulldoggy things with them and bred them with local dogs)... in the mid/late 1800s.

None of them were as extreme in shortness of nose and neck, pinched nares, bulging eyes etc as they are now and the peke did not have anywhere NEAR the amount of coat the modern show Peke has.

These are all the product of breeding for appearance vs function, and humans wanting to outdo one another in getting closer than the next person to some theoretical 'ideal' *(which itself will be changed by fashions and trends).

The Peke looked a lot more like the modern tibetan spaniel originally, a much more functional dog than the modern Peke (I mean a Tibby can travel the length of a show ring without needing a cushion and a fan to collapse in front of after a short waddle!).

Unfortunately one of the downsides of the advances in veterinary medicine is that we can make these unhealthy, wheezing, gurgling, snorting animals live longer and reproduce, where in the past, they would simply have died and that would have limited their producting.

your dogs genes are too good not to be passed on

That’s right. She’s a perfect specimen of her breed. According to the vet.

Doesn’t mean you have to breed her. Let’s hope she copes with pregnancy and birth. Poor dog having such a selfish owner that will put her through pregnancy and birth because ‘want cute puppy’ and excuses it because of genes that apparently a vet has commented on. Fucking hell. 🤦🏻‍♀️

She’s designed to go through pregnancy and birth. Just like me. I don’t want a “cute puppy”, I’d go and buy one if I did. I want her line to continue. She’s very far from being a “poor dog”. Amazing how so many supposed dog lovers appear to want the species to die out.

There's nothing wrong with breeding from a dog which is a good specimen.

People will always want dogs as pets, so better from good genes ratger than bad.

This is the first time I've stumbled onto the Doghouse. I think I prefer AIBU. The vipers are kinder!

I must admit whilst I disagree with irresponsible breeding it can be done ethically. Dogs are animals, they are supposed to give birth. If both parents are health-checked and a compatible breed (for example not breeding a large dog and small dog), the dog is a generally happy dog with no pre-existing issues and you limit it to one or two litters and are responsible with the raising and rehoming of the puppies I don’t see an issue. My friend bred her Golden with another Golden and it was a lovely experience all round and the dog thrived as a mummy. She had 3 puppies and they were with them for 16 weeks before 2 went to new homes and the girl stayed with them. They then had her spayed.

Why is the idea of a dog being pregnant so horrifying? It’s like people see dogs as children. You can look at in from the other side, why shouldn’t a healthy, happy female dog be allowed to have just the one litter and fulfill her natural mothering instincts?

As I said, poor dog.