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Is there any way to mute my dog?

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UnderTheSkyInsideTheSea · 28/02/2022 13:38

She’s always been very a very vocal dog - she needs to tell you exactly how she’s feeling at all times, which is basically unsettled/annoyed if you’e doing anything other than sitting still, all together, and only moving to fuss her or get her more food. Now that she’s elderly, a bit senile, and completely deaf, the barking has gone off the scale. It really affects our quality of life.

I was wonit possible to paralyse vocal cords with botox injections?

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Nelliephant1 · 28/02/2022 16:44

Leave the dog alone and put ear plugs in or her ear defenders. This is your problem, not the poor dogs.

LondonQueen · 28/02/2022 16:50

What a horrible thing to want to do to your dog. How would you feel if someone took away your voice?

brainhurts · 28/02/2022 16:54

Op I feel your pain .my old girl is going deaf / is deaf . She's taken to barking at fresh air . It's very frustrating, I often wish she had a mute button. But alas no , so we just count our blessings she's still with us as one day we will miss that bloody annoying bark .

UnderTheSkyInsideTheSea · 28/02/2022 17:08

@moredogsthansense

OP, I didn't say you had suggested surgical debarking, I was explaining how that procedure works, given that other posters had discussed it, and how its effects would differ from the use of Botox - i.e. surgical debarking would theoretically achieve what you want (which is why it's done in the USA), despite being illegal here, whereas Botox would probably produce other complications rather than just reducing bark volume.

Yes, I think that paralysing the vocal cords would potentially interfere with breathing. Again, I am certain that no licensed vet would be willing to paralyse the vocal cords deliberately. What's more, this would constitute medical treatment of an animal, which is illegal in the UK unless carried out by a qualified vet (or the owner, but that doesn't give you carte blanche to do it yourself either as it would still be regarded as unacceptable). So you can't ask a cosmetic technician who uses Botox in people to do it either; this really isn't an option.

Drug treatment may help, but sadly, as with people, old age sometimes brings cognitive impairment to dogs which significantly impacts the lives of those they live with, if not themselves, and, as with people, medical intervention is not always as effective as we'd like. Hopefully your vet can advise further on what options may help a bit.

Thank you @moredogsthansense - I appreciate you sharing your knowledge.
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curlymom · 28/02/2022 17:15

Yes I’m off thanks. You showed everyone your nasty idea then had a go when shown how selfish you are. I hope your dog feels love in these days when he needs you most

UnderTheSkyInsideTheSea · 28/02/2022 17:16

@LondonQueen

What a horrible thing to want to do to your dog. How would you feel if someone took away your voice?
How the fuck is it relevant how I’d feel without a voice? I’m not a deaf dog, am I. Hmm It would make precisely nil difference to her whether she has a ‘voice’ or not because
  1. she’s deaf, so she can’t hear the noises she makes.
  2. she would still be vocalising, therefore expressing herself, there just wouldn’t be any sound so she wouldn’t be annoying the fuck out of everyone else.
  3. she gets everything she wants that she’s allowed to have, and quite a lot that she’s not allowed, and makes her needs crystal clear already with non-verbal communication.
  4. her life would be a little less stressful by dint of me being less stressed by the barking.

It’s a moot point, anyway, as the thread vet says it’s not possible,

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IsItTooHotInHere · 28/02/2022 17:17

What an utterly repugnant thing to suggest! When you're old/ill/in need of something, would you want to be silenced and ignored? Stupid woman!

IsItTooHotInHere · 28/02/2022 17:18

Here's a suggestion - let your poor old dog go to a shelter, as you clearly don't want the bother of caring for her properly

Abracadabra12345 · 28/02/2022 17:26

@IsItTooHotInHere

Here's a suggestion - let your poor old dog go to a shelter, as you clearly don't want the bother of caring for her properly
Going against the grain here: From all the OP has said, the dog is living the life of Riley, yet living with a constantly barking, whining, growling dog must be hellish. I’d not want to be a neighbour either especially those of us who, like the OP, have noise sensitivity. My sympathies are all for the OP rather than the pearl-clutchers.

I’m glad a vet posted sensible advice. The dog is VERY well looked after. What a cruel suggestion- that she is put in a shelter

pawpaws2022 · 28/02/2022 17:29

@IsItTooHotInHere

Here's a suggestion - let your poor old dog go to a shelter, as you clearly don't want the bother of caring for her properly
Look my cat has everything he could ever want in life He has cried to go out today Cried because he got wet Cried to go back out Cried because he got wet again Cried because his food is "wrong" Cried because his mate came over Cried because his mate didn't come over He's currently whinging as he wants to sit with the window open, his bum warm and head out and given heating prices he can sod off

And yes I get frustrated when I want 30 mins without the constant whinging to watch a TV show

It's like having a toddler clinging to your leg 24/7 going mama mama mama but.. louder

I've often (not seriously!) contemplated gagging him and it's very peaceful when he loses his voice!!

UnderTheSkyInsideTheSea · 28/02/2022 17:43

@IsItTooHotInHere

Here's a suggestion - let your poor old dog go to a shelter, as you clearly don't want the bother of caring for her properly
Here’s a suggestion for you… why don’t you read the fucking thread? And if you have RTFT, and are still making your pathetic suggestions, are you also suffering from cognitive dysfunction?

I would have my dog PTS before I ever, EVER considered putting her in a shelter. She’s never even had a night in a kennel, and we’ve only left her with friends or family twice in her life to go away for a few days. Both times she then had a flare up of pancreatitis from the stress of being away from us. We’ve done everything we can to eliminate stress from her life, and you suggest putting an elderly, demented, deaf dog with separation anxiety in a fucking shelter.

You couldn’t make it up, honestly. Grin

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UnderTheSkyInsideTheSea · 28/02/2022 17:47

@Abracadabra12345 and @pawpaws2022, thank you. @pawpaws I feel your pain! Idiot dog is currently barking at the kitchen door because DH is late home. I’ve fed her, I’ve coaxed her back in to the living room numerous times, she comes in, then a minute later you can see her think ‘hang on, he should be home by now - I’ll go and bark at the door to tell him to hurry up’. Over and over and over.

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UnderTheSkyInsideTheSea · 28/02/2022 17:51

@curlymom

Yes I’m off thanks. You showed everyone your nasty idea then had a go when shown how selfish you are. I hope your dog feels love in these days when he needs you most
Jolly good @curlymom. You don’t need to announce your departure - it’s not an airport.

My idiot dog feels our love every minute of the day, from the moment she wakes up in bed with me, to the moment she falls asleep on DH’s pillow at night. Wishing I could mute her doesn’t change that in the slightest.

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UnderTheSkyInsideTheSea · 28/02/2022 17:54

@brainhurts

Op I feel your pain .my old girl is going deaf / is deaf . She's taken to barking at fresh air . It's very frustrating, I often wish she had a mute button. But alas no , so we just count our blessings she's still with us as one day we will miss that bloody annoying bark .
Thank you @brainhurts, it’s so frustrating isn’t it. I suspect it’s got something to do with not getting the auditory feedback of hearing themselves, so they don’t think ‘ok I’ve made my point’ and stop. Plus the cognitive decline/disinhibition.
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curlymom · 28/02/2022 18:04

You describe your dog as idiot. Nasty! I hope you don’t get any more attention you crave so much from this sick subject

Veterinari · 28/02/2022 18:07

@UnderTheSkyInsideTheSea
What has you behaviourist suggested? Are they working with your vet to ensure she gets appropriate treatment for her cognitive decline and associated anxiety?

Chronic pain is also associated with behavioural disorders and is almost inevitable in a 12 year old dog. How is that being managed?

UnderTheSkyInsideTheSea · 28/02/2022 18:10

@curlymom

You describe your dog as idiot. Nasty! I hope you don’t get any more attention you crave so much from this sick subject
Grin Grin

Thank god she can’t hear me, eh @curlymom!

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brainhurts · 28/02/2022 18:17

Hi op , yes I think your right she continues to bark because she can't hear herself.
I think some of your comments come across a thought you don't love you dog , and I'm sure this is unintentional.
Like me you pander to there every wish , love and care for them , will be totally devastated when you lose them . But there are times a mute button would be handy, like I said mine barks at fresh air but can't hear herself it's me who gets distressed as I can't " help " her.

Etinoxaurus · 28/02/2022 18:27

Aw poor op! You’re getting a hard time and as you said a quick fix to stop the barking, which as she can’t hear herself only impacts everyone else’s life, would be wonderful.
Do talk to your vet. Amongst others my dog is on Vivitonin (Canergy) Metacam and paracetemol. And like yours has a wonderful life from the moment she wakes up on my pillow 🤦🏻‍♀️🐶

UnderTheSkyInsideTheSea · 28/02/2022 20:14

@Alliswells

Op you're getting a hard time here! I've a barker too and at least once a week tell him "you're getting your voice box out"!
Missed this one…. thanks @Alliswells, this made me Grin Grin.

Careful now; people will be telling you what a horrible person you are and that you should dump your dog at a shelter. Wink

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UnderTheSkyInsideTheSea · 28/02/2022 20:25

@brainhurts

Hi op , yes I think your right she continues to bark because she can't hear herself. I think some of your comments come across a thought you don't love you dog , and I'm sure this is unintentional. Like me you pander to there every wish , love and care for them , will be totally devastated when you lose them . But there are times a mute button would be handy, like I said mine barks at fresh air but can't hear herself it's me who gets distressed as I can't " help " her.
I’ve reread my posts, and I don’t think it comes across as I don’t love my dog at all. I think it’s pretty fecking obvious that I love my dog very much indeed, in fact, if people read my posts.

Anyhoo, I can’t control what other people think of me. I’m autistic so I’m used to being misinterpreted. The people who know me and ‘get’ me… they’re the ones whose opinions I care about, and they’d all laugh heartily at the idea that I don’t love my idiot dog, or would put her in a shelter or give her away. I’d bloody love a mute button, though, yes.

I’d be distressed if she were distressed when she’s barking - she’s not, though, she’s just shouting because she wants something. I’m sorry to hear yours is - that must be horrible for you and her.

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ChuckBerrysBoots · 28/02/2022 20:28

I call our dog an idiot all the time, because she really is Grin doesn’t mean she’s not well loved and cared for. Just means she’s daft as a brush.

OP, does she still have capacity to engage in brain games, like scattering treats to distract her from barking or using a snuffle mat, or is she beyond that now?

brainhurts · 28/02/2022 20:43

Hi op ,to me you came across a little uncaring re Botox to paralyse her vocal cords . I found that a little shocking.
But I have no dough you love your dog to bits .
Mine doesn't get distressed, I do . I get the barking for food , attention, to go in and out .
I feel I can't help her when she's quiet happily barking at nothing. And yes it gets very frustrating and like you wish I could mute her . I think as she can't hear herself she could just happily carry on in her own world barking .

UnderTheSkyInsideTheSea · 28/02/2022 21:11

[quote Veterinari]@UnderTheSkyInsideTheSea
What has you behaviourist suggested? Are they working with your vet to ensure she gets appropriate treatment for her cognitive decline and associated anxiety?

Chronic pain is also associated with behavioural disorders and is almost inevitable in a 12 year old dog. How is that being managed?
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We don’t have a behaviourist - we can’t easily afford it and I haven’t prioritised it because honestly I don’t think it would help at this point. Her anxiety doesn’t seem greater now than it ever has been, in fact I’d say it’s less now because separation anxiety was the issue and we never leave her alone any more. She’s always been a neurotic dog and wants to be with us (preferably on us) - she’s been like it since she was a puppy. The breeder did warn me she’d be my ‘shadow’ - I met three generations and they all wanted to climb inside me. She’s perfectly happy if she’s got everyone she loves close by, and their full attention, and preferably lots of food. So that’s what we do.

She is not in any pain that we’re aware of, and I’m confident I would be aware if that’s what she was feeling. She only shows signs of stiffness the next day if she’s walked more than about 5 miles, and we don’t walk her that far any more because she doesn’t like going for walks. Nor does the vet think she’s in any pain. Her bloods were all fine. Apart from chronic pancreatitis since she was a youngster, she’s been in pretty rude health. We manage that by being very careful with her diet (when she’s not thieving wildly unsuitable things, which she does at any opportunity) and feeding four smaller meals a day since her last flare up about a year ago, which (touch wood) has kept it really well controlled. It’s very obvious that she’s in pain when she has a flare up, hence my being confident that she’s not in pain - nothing about her attitude, posture, body language or tone indicates that she’s in pain. We have Loxicom if needed for the pancreatitis but rarely need to uses it, apart from that, no meds. I give her various anti-inflammatory herbs/spices and a couple of supplements.

Her barking is not a distressed or scared bark, it’s a ‘you’re going to the kitchen/standing in the kitchen/doing things with food/might go downstairs to the kitchen/aren’t giving me a treat when I think I should have a treat/are focusing on something other than me’ bark. Or barking because DH has gone out. Or barking because she can smell that a fox or cat has been in the garden. Or because she wants to go out and check whether the fox or cat has been in the garden, and run around sniffing the air and telling everyone it’s her garden. The same reasons she’s always barked, just SO. MUCH. MORE! The vet called it cognitive dysfunction, said it was fairly inevitable, said there was a drug they could try but warned me it wasn’t cheap. I asked if it would make much difference, and she said she’d tried it with hers and it hadn’t been miraculous.

She doesn’t seem unhappy. She sleeps more, and she plays a bit less (which I assumed was age), but still plays happily if I initiate (just barks more!) and still initiates herself, too (sits by a toy and growls or woo-woo-woos, or parades a sock in front of us and growls). She obsessed with food, but then she always has been. We’ve let her training slide (which I’m now realising I need to pick up again) because it’s harder now that she can’t hear us, can’t hear a clicker, and has poorer impulse control. She’ll follow most commands momentarily, but seconds later she’s doing it/not doing it again. And barks throughout!

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UnderTheSkyInsideTheSea · 28/02/2022 21:15

@ChuckBerrysBoots

I call our dog an idiot all the time, because she really is Grin doesn’t mean she’s not well loved and cared for. Just means she’s daft as a brush.

OP, does she still have capacity to engage in brain games, like scattering treats to distract her from barking or using a snuffle mat, or is she beyond that now?

Thank you - exactly!

Oh she definitely has the capacity for any game involving treats… the problem occurs when the game is over!! She will growl/bark endlessly at us to do it again. Or growl and bark at the drawer where the food and puzzle toys are kept.

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