Cockapoo & cavapoo breeeders

[Lifeisaminestrone]

Good evening!

This is something I wonder about, with all the criticism of oodle / poo dogs and their problems, has anyone thought of breeding cockapoos and cavapoos responsibly?

I’ve absolutely no plans to, as I prefer other breeds but they are popular and obviously a market for them so would love to hear of good responsible breeding.

If I was a lover of their temperament/ looks etc, would think it a good idea but sadly I’m just not drawn to them.

Anyway, just a nice friendly chat as to whether you have done this. have thought about doing this, and what put you off, struggles had.

The thing is there's no real reason to breed those crossbreeds for anything other than a "demand" for something that looks cute and fluffy. They're a fashion trend. There's no health benefits for the dogs, they can't be shown, they're not a traditional working dog.

I think there might be a handful of breeders who do try to breed them from properly health tested lines but they will have 1-2 year long waiting lists and still are ultimately only breeding because they're fashionable.

It's a case of, do we feed a trend or educate away from a trend?

I just saw a Newfoundland x Poodle puppy available for adoption at Dogs Trust. Only 5 months old and already almost waist high.

@bunnygeekNewfoundland x poodle is crazy! Poor big puppy

I appreciate not used for showing / working but wouldn’t it be lovely to be able to recommend some responsible cockapoo / cavapoo breeders!

I’m not sure either if you’d start breeding cockapoos with cockapoos or if would go back to poodle v cocker!

Anyway, it’s not for me, I find them a bit too noisy!! Drive me bonkers

This does not sound like a friendly chat. More of you hoisting up your judgey pants.

Why do you want to discuss something you don't want to do about something you don't really like.

I was wondering the same, you don't like them, they drive you bonkers yet you would like to discuss their breeding...why are you bothered??

Is breeding because people want them the worst thing in the world?

Is it inherently better to breed for showing? Why?

The thing is there's no real reason to breed those crossbreeds for anything other than a "demand" for something that looks cute and fluffy. They're a fashion trend. There's no health benefits for the dogs, they can't be shown, they're not a traditional working dog.

It is possible for a dog to have an intrinsic value as a pet. If someone is drawn to a Labrador x poodle, why shouldn't they breed them? How do you think all dog breeds started before there were recognised dog breeds? Someone wanted a good hunting dog, so they took two good hunting dogs and bred them together, and eventually over generations of dogs, a standard type was agreed and a breed standard created. As for breeding for looks - do you think the irish setter's red silky coat happened by accident?

Most pedigree dogs are horribly inbred. Bracycephalic breeds are on the whole inhumane and cruel. Id rather see a labradoodle which is well bred from healthy, tested parents than yet another inbred pug or cavalier which is somehow "better" because it's got papers and fits a breed standard that has encouraged more extremes. Shorter noses, shorter backs, tighter curled tails, more bulbous eyes. Some dog breeds should be phased out entirely, or bred out to other breeds to get healthier lines. Such as pekinese, French bulldogs, pugs, British bulldogs, cavaliers and such like. Labradoodles in and of themselves aren't the issue in the dog world. Puppy farms, and those who inbreed unhealthy dogs because that's what the breed standard, and judges in the dog showing world call for. Give it ten years and labradoodles will be a recognised breed.

I don’t understand why people are so grumpy when posting! I’m certainly not judging people.

Every conversation on mumsnet when someone asks about a cockapoo is:

1. Expensive
2. Poorly bred
3. Social problems

So if they are that bad why are cockapoo / cavapoo lovers not trying to improve the situation.

I have some good friends who have them but I know of a number of people who have been conned, had to walk away from puppies and it would be good to create a good breeding group / standard to support people who’d like them as family pets.

I’m just surprised this structure / more good breeders around.

@TheGoldenWolfFleece

I think that’s the key thing. Most people want a pet that is healthy and supporting a good breeder with good intentions.

I may personally not like ‘curly haired dogs’ but I do want all animals treated well.

There's no reason to breed any dog that's not a working dog. Theres no need to have pets and showing dogs is really not necessary. If you are accepting most dogs are bred to be pets, then why not the poodle crosses?

I do find it strange that so many people on here are very sniffy about "designer dogs" and "fashionable dogs" - what do you think show dogs are? Unless you use your dogs for work then they are a lifestyle accessory too. Some people prefer ones that don't shed.

I find the conversations around dogs on here really odd. It’s always:

• crossbreeds are mongrels
• purebreds are best
• get a rescue greyhound

Which entirely ignores the health issues of breeding purebred dogs, which are bred for worse health problems to look good. How js that better than breeding cross breeds which are good for families?

We got our gorgeous labradoodle from a breeder who health checks her dogs and breeds them for temperament. Is she doing it for the health and good of the breed? No, but she is doing it to get good family pets. We were turned down but several rescues over a number of years due to having baby / toddler aged children. Our dog is amazing and was a brilliant addition to our family.

I have no doubt the pure breed snobs will be along to tell me why this approach is wrong but labradoodle / cocker poos are very popular family dogs for good reason. Not everyone wants a staffy or ex racing greyhound.

I have met a Newfoundland poodle cross, I think the most beautiful dog I’ve ever seen. I have no idea if it was bred specifically.

I started a thread a week or so ago because I wanted some advice on where to go for a cross breed puppy. I got some good advice, but some posters made me feel like the devil for not wanting a Kennel Club approved pure bred, or a rescue. I agree with the original point of the thread which was that there should be an easier way to find approved breeders of cross breeds.

I wish someone would stop people from breeding pugs with noses that are almost concave. It's cruel.

Some KC pugs really suffer because they are bred from dogs with unsuitably flat faces imo.

Pugs are amazing dogs - people who breed those who struggle to breathe should be forced to pay for the surgery they need just to breathe.

I personally don't really agree with greyhound rescues as it adds an air of legitimacy to greyhound racing which discards dogs as though they're rubbish and is riddled with cruelty. People will think oh it's ok, once it's finished racing it'll get a nice new home. 25,000 are registered every year. That's a lot of dogs to find homes for. More often theyre destroyed. Id rather see greyhound racing banned.

The reason that mn goes on and on about greyhounds is that there's so bloody many of them. Incredibly wasteful industry.

I’ve got a poodle cross. She’s the most wonderful dog ever. We’re lucky enough to get all the best bits and more of her heritage.
I’d never put her through breeding but surely if people want a similar dog (ie great for family life, easy going, non shedding…)then it makes sense to breed them.
I’d rather see them being bred than the pedigrees sign obvious health issues

The thing about crossbreeds for me is that they do cross some strange combinations of dogs. I always think that’s got to be a risk!
Poodles are lovely dogs, you don’t need to have them groomed in a traditional show clip if you don’t like the look.

Our cavapoo is the loveliest dog ever. No health problems - we had her dna checked - and an amazing temperament. Bit clingy to me, and goes wild for foxes, but otherwise amazing and a perfect city dog.

@iamme21

I have met a Newfoundland poodle cross, I think the most beautiful dog I’ve ever seen. I have no idea if it was bred specifically.

I just went and searched for them. Gorgeous. And I am not a huge fan of the doodle craze.

Hearing Dogs breed and train Cockapoo’s (along with Cocker Spaniels and Poodles) to be hearing dogs for deaf people.

As a slight aside, why do people not just have a poodle if they are after a manageable, curly breed? Cockapoos seem to me to be v similar to poodles but with some manic spaniel traits thrown in.

@MrsEricBana

As a slight aside, why do people not just have a poodle if they are after a manageable, curly breed? Cockapoos seem to me to be v similar to poodles but with some manic spaniel traits thrown in.

Because cockerpoos are cuter than poodles/people prefer the look. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with getting a dog because you like the look of it-that’s one of the main reasons people get any breed of dog. It’s just a shame that there are so few responsible breeders to supply dogs to those who like the cockerpoo look. I dont think that responsibly breeding health tested poodle crosses is worse/less worthy/more money grabbing than breeding pure breds, especially since they do have less health issues than many breeds

@Lampyshady

I totally understand your point but with a non standard poodle clip, IMO you cannot always massively tell the difference to be honest. Plus if one doesn’t think a poodle is cute, you’re taking a huge risk with a cross as they might be more poodle than spaniel or cavalier.

This is a poodle.

£1000-£3000 per puppy is pretty strong incentive