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momager1 · 16/08/2021 17:34

Today, after a full 24 hrs of panting and pacing and low temp. Our amazing dog went into labor. Now I know alot here do not agree with breeding, however our breeder we have been involved with for over 17 years. this is our third dog out of her . She is an incredible pedigree, so we are what they call a guardian home. I had to allow one breed then the full price of a pup or a pup would be mine. She had the best care including an ultrasound and xray. We knew ahead of time it would be 7 pups. My wonderful breeder drove the 30 min to us today as soon as i called (it was 530 am) by 8 am we have all these amazing pups. and our girl is really being a good mum. So. the picture that would be demanded lol.

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icedcoffees · 17/08/2021 16:40

I am NOT using her as a money making machine!

You may not be, but you're actively enabling the breeder to do so.

Pix89 · 17/08/2021 16:41

@Powertothepetal
I think it is the guardian Studs that get used twice...not the dams...
Considering there are dogs in my breed that have sired over 50 Litters to different dams with at least £500 stud fee each over the years...twice for breeders own use is not bad at all. It keeps her line going.
I think there are far greedier "breeders" in the world than this person.

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momager1 · 17/08/2021 16:43

@Powertothepetal

Vipers 🤣 No one even blamed you! Just stated the obvious about the breeder you used.

It’s worth bearing in mind that the so called ‘vipers’ spoke out of concern for the welfare of the dog and puppies.
That’s not such a bad trait in a person.

I don’t like to be ‘that’ poster, but I notice your story has changed..
First you had her a year (after buying at 7 months), then you had her over a year and bred her at 2.

First the breeder breeds ONE litter, you even put that in capitals to really drive it home, now it’s ‘twice max and never more than once a year per dog’

Enjoy your dog from your greedy breeder 👍

you did not read right! the twice a year breed max is for her Studs! which she keeps five going at a time, her dams are one and done unless she owns them outright and maybe i should have typed the exact date i got her? so i have had her for over a year? I didn't date it but did say that she had her testing. Anyone that knows anything about dogs knows that those tests cannot be done to their 2nd birthday.
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Pix89 · 17/08/2021 16:47

@icedcoffees
Disagree. 1 litter is not a money making machine for OP or OP's breeder. There is more to breeding than money. Far more. Keeping breeding lines going and alive for example. My line of bichons died out because I simply didn't have the time to raise a litter and my last bitch in all honesty wasn't good enough to my standards to be bred from, heartbreaking after 20 odd years work but if I had had a nice bitch at this time who I could've had on contract like OP then I would have considered it. I'm now in a different breed because it was too painful to have to start from scratch with the bichons again.

Powertothepetal · 17/08/2021 16:54

Anyone that knows anything about dogs knows that those tests cannot be done to their 2nd birthday
Maybe it’s different in Canada, but hip scores here can be done from 12 months and DNA tests are mostly swabs, sometimes blood tests that can be done from any age.

Rainbows89 · 17/08/2021 16:54

@Saucery

So you’re in Canada, not the UK? I think the crazy unregulated breeding we see over here in the Uk is possibly not as bad there. Anyway, your Girl is beautiful, it sounds a responsible set up and I hope all her gorgeous puppies stay well and grow up as elegant as their Mum Flowers
It’s still pretty bad. There are loads of puppy farms in Ontario where I am. Mostly for doodles. Often very cleverly set up so that it’s really hard to tell that they are puppy farms, but they are :(
icedcoffees · 17/08/2021 16:59

Disagree. 1 litter is not a money making machine for OP or OP's breeder.

But how many "guardian families" does the breeder have and how many puppies result from those litters?

It seems to me this is a way for the breeder to make money (7 puppies @ $3000 per puppy isn't to be sniffed at!) without having to register for a breeding license as the dog isn't technically hers.

Multiply that amount by several females who live with "guardian families" and that's a lot of money.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 17/08/2021 17:05

She has answered every call i have had in the over 17 years i have had her dogs (this one is my third and my first is still alive at that age!) And she lives a 30 min drive away if traffic is good. She showed up here this morning to check on the pups and also checked my girls temp and food intake. Told me she will come by tomorrow also but call day or night if I think there is any problem.

Well yes I'm sure she does do all that, because she's making decent money out of it. Not exactly volunteering or charity work is it?

AlmostSummer21 · 17/08/2021 17:17

Not getting into all the breeding disagreement...

But Gracie is very pretty & looks chuffed!

It would be lovely to see more puppy photos & to know what you decide about Miss Tux.

Ps you breeder needs to invest in a hand suction pump 🤮

magicstar1 · 17/08/2021 17:20

To me the breeder sounds very responsible. I’m at the other end of it. My girl is a rescue...kept in a whelping box her whole life having back to back pups until she was five. Then thrown out bald, missing teeth and scrawny.
She’s also completely cowhocked so should never have been bred....the poor pups will probably have the same issues.

Pix89 · 17/08/2021 17:21

@icedcoffees
I believe the.OP said she has 5 guardian Studs and 3 guardian dams. No 3000CAD per puppy is certainly not to be sniffed at but all these tests, microchipping, vaccines, vet bills, food, time and sleepless nights etc. costs do add up. OP said (I think) that her breeder's way of breeding is her job and way of making a living and OK...it wouldn't be my choice of career...but she is doing everything so carefully, it is evident the breeder cares about her dogs and "guardian" families. If she didn't there would be many more stipulations (not just 1 litter) and health tests wouldn't be done...

@youvegottenminuteslynn
You'd be surprised how many "breeders" leave their owners to get on with it...guardianship or not. I personally like to keep in touch with all my puppies' families and many of them return to my mum for grooming but know a few people who have called their breeder to find out information or tell them that their beloved pet has passed and the breeder doesn't even remember them Angry

Pix89 · 17/08/2021 17:26

@magicstar1
You couldn't have proved my point better. Thank you! These "people" who treat their animals like your girly has been treated make me sick and are not reputable or ethical and have a damned cheek to identify as "breeders". These "people" do not care about their dogs or the health implications of their offspring...it actually boils my piss! Give your girl an extra cuddle from me, it breaks my heart when I hear stories of this cruelty!

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momager1 · 17/08/2021 21:53

@AlmostSummer21

Not getting into all the breeding disagreement...

But Gracie is very pretty & looks chuffed!

It would be lovely to see more puppy photos & to know what you decide about Miss Tux.

Ps you breeder needs to invest in a hand suction pump 🤮

thank you.. our breeder does have the hand suction thingy..but it wasn't taking enough of the phlem in the pup out quick enough to save her. I will post some pics in the coming weeks as they open their eyes and get personalities!
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momager1 · 17/08/2021 22:16

@Powertothepetal

Anyone that knows anything about dogs knows that those tests cannot be done to their 2nd birthday Maybe it’s different in Canada, but hip scores here can be done from 12 months and DNA tests are mostly swabs, sometimes blood tests that can be done from any age.
No even here in Canada, it is not recommended for these tests to be done until the second birthday..which coincided with Gracies heat.. so it was go time. DNA is a swab. She had a blood test (not sure what for) she had her hips and joints x rayed. These were at the cost of the breeder not myself.
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momager1 · 17/08/2021 22:20

What I will add. Is that my breeder charges 2000 ish for a pup that is not a guardian home nor to be a show dog. IF our Gracie had of failed her testing she would not have been bred and she would have refunded me the difference. She would never breed a dog that failed those tests. That was also in my guardian home contract. One male from this litter will go on to a guardian home..maybe both , one girl from this litter will replace my Grace as a guardian on a breed contract with her family. I feel so defensive of our lovely breeder right now

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momager1 · 17/08/2021 22:26

by the way. I clarified with her today the costs of her pup. 3000 is just for guardian homes so she can breed from them..or active show dogs. so I overestimated how much she actually makes. As I based them all on guardians

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peanutbutterandbananas · 17/08/2021 22:37

Adorable! Congratulations! Isn't she a proud mummy Smile

BreastedBoobilyToTheStairs · 17/08/2021 22:45

Then my girl goes to the breeders for a week to make sure that they are weaned properly. After that.. I get my grace home, and she does not allow pick ups until 12 weeks, by then they are well on their way to house trained and also socialized.

So people buying the pups aren't able to see the pups with the dam or to get a feel for her temperament unless they manage to get a slot in that one week with the breeder? Or would they come to you for that separately? What about visits to the pups before you send them to the breeder, because even if pick up is after 12 weeks its fairly unusual not to be able to at least see the puppies/meet mum etc before 8 weeks, isn't it?

Whitney168 · 18/08/2021 09:06

Speaking for the UK - breeding terms used to serve a very useful purpose for both responsible breeders, and for the buyer.

The puppy was normally bought at a nominal price (am I reading correctly that this one was more expensive, rather than less?). The breeder then chose a suitable stud and had one puppy back (or maybe at most two), with the bitch then transferring to the owner in full.

I'm not sure when the change came about that it was the owner who got the single pup and the breeder got the rest.

XelaM · 18/08/2021 09:56

The OP and the breeder sound lovely and I really think there are many easier ways to make money than by breeding dogs in the way OP describes. I don't think the breeder is making much profit given the time/stress investment and vet bills. It sounds like a very responsible breeder.

And the dog is gorgeous! Please send us more pictures of the puppies Blush

Darklane · 18/08/2021 12:21

Yes do. We’d love to see them growing. What colour was the stud? The puppies look darker than your lovely girl. Which are you keeping?
Enjoy them, puppies are gorgeous.

Powertothepetal · 18/08/2021 13:11

The puppies look darker than your lovely girl
I think most poodles have fading gene, dark chocolate pups fade to very pale brown, deep reds to apricot etc etc

Powertothepetal · 18/08/2021 13:12

poodlereport.com/do-all-poodles-fade-in-color/

XelaM · 18/08/2021 13:18

Our apricot poodle definitely faded to almost white

XelaM · 18/08/2021 13:21

This was our beautiful boy

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