Did I buy a puppy farm pup?

[Caross]

Hi all. I am a bit concerned that I might of bought a puppy farm pup!!
I responded to an add for a specific breed of pup that I have been looking for, they are also really hard to get, very popular breed.
I thought all seemed well as I got sent a photo of mum and the testing results from the dad. Then I got videos and photos of my pup whenever I asked, in one or two videos I seen the rest of the litter. Although, the breeder allowed him to be picked up at 7 weeks 3 days old, which was unexpected.
We had to use a pet transportation service due to the current restrictions on travel so we weren’t able to pick him up. The breeder would of been allowed to bring him to us but said she wouldn’t so we had no choice but to hire someone to do it. Turns out that all the other pups had gone home a day or two before ours and he was the last one there.
Someone else contacted me on Instagram asking who I got my pup from. I gave them the information, they came back and said they decided not to go any further with our breeder as there was another litter due in 5 weeks and they suspected it could be a puppy farm.
I feel really foolish. I was under the impression that our pup was born from her family pet. I had no idea she had another dog, (or potentially the same poor dog) who is expecting another litter.
Another reason I thought it seemed really safe was that she has a very public dog walking and boarding business.
Does this sound suspicious to anyone else or could there be a innocent explanation?

@frazzled2207 correct. That’s where I went wrong,
I explained before that she gave me an explanation that all the other pups were leaving, the vaccinations had been all done, it was a matter of days earlier than agreed. Checked how early the vaccinations can happen and found out it was from 6 weeks so that didn’t concern me. Had also read from other owners/breeders that occasionally they can go home a little early,l.

Maybe I wanted to believe it was all ok and that clouded the judgement on that one thing.

@GreyGoose1980 yes I did see pup with mum on video chat. Sorry, I thought I had answered that.

@BovaryX ok hun. Have a nice day.

Also please remember that a lot of bitches locked up in puppy farms are someone’s stolen pet so when you buy a pup from a farm you are funding criminal gangs. please be under no illusion you are saving a pup - your cash is funding further misery and theft.

There is no guarantee that a poodle cross will be hypoallergenic I'm afraid.

Please do report this person. They pushed for the puppies to go before 8 weeks and gave you a dog with dodgy paperwork. They are not a decent breeder. You will likely have to start vaccinations again but that's not a big deal. Main thing is that your pup gets a really thorough health check and that the chip matches what's on the card. I think it's very unlikely though.

nfortunately I cannot get one because my parents (who are at my home regularly and look after my kids) developed allergies to our cavaliers when we had them before, so I wanted to get a hypoallergenic dog. When I seen I could get a cavalier/poodle mix, I decided it was best for us.

Oh dear. You do realise this dog is very unlikely to be hypoallergenic, don't you?

Puppy farming is now illegal so hopefully if people report them can be closed down

Also please remember that a lot of bitches locked up in puppy farms are someone’s stolen pet so when you buy a pup from a farm you are funding criminal gangs. please be under no illusion you are saving a pup - your cash is funding further misery and theft

@GreyGoose1980

There is zero evidence the OP gives a toss about tiresome minutiae like criminal gangs, disreputable breeders, puppy farms and all the cruelty they create.

@leckford puppy farming is not illegal. What gave you that idea?
Puppy farming is one of our thriving industries, often supported by government as part of rural diversification initiatives.

The dog breeder sites state puppy farming and importation of foreign pups is illegal. There is so much cruelty out there

@GreyGoose1980 FYI I do give a toss. I think the person saying I don’t give a toss is trying to recruit someone else to hit below the belt.
I wouldn’t of created this thread if I didn’t give a toss.

If you truly cared about sourcing a puppy responsibly this wouldn't have happened OP. You can pretend you care but ultimately even if this dog wasn't a puppy farm pup it will be luck on your part rather than being responsible and ethical.

@Caross take no notice of all the perfect rude and arrogant people on here. You always get them on the dog threads. You didn't do it on purpose and in fact you actively tried to look into the red flags and ask questions. The situation is what it is now and you have a lesson learned for next time or information that you can help others with should they be in a similar situation.

Puppy farming isn't illegal. Yes, there are certain standards they are supposed to adhere to in order to be legal, but very little enforcement.

Importing pups is not illegal, if you comply with laws about vaccinations, age of pups and passporting..

The OP clearly does care, otherwise she would not be here trying to establish whether she had been misled or not. She is said she will report if evidence points to it not being legitimate. She is not Hitler, some of the responses on here are hysterical in every sense of the word. She may have been naive but some seriously bad accusations on here.

OP, enjoy your puppy. Don't let the potential bad beginning put you off him. This whole buying a puppy thing is a minefield.

@wewillmeetagain oh I know. It’s the internet after all.
The worst ones have only just crawled out of bed and began a day of trolling.
I’ll be enjoying the sunshine with my family and having a laugh with my husband at how nasty some people get on a thread. Pitied not scolded and all that.

£1200 for a crossbreed faints you could have got a purebred poodle for significantly less than that!

Hi all
My posts on here are general comments to help people become more aware and harm puppy farms. My last post was more directed at the poster who was driven out to the middle of nowhere and saw rows of caged pups but bought it anyway because she felt that was the ‘kindest’ thing to do.
The kennel club is here for a reason - to regulate the breeding of dogs.
We can be a usually decent person and still cause harm by not thinking / researching our actions enough / ignoring red flags - which is sadly often the case when people buy puppy farmed pups.

What people don't seem to realise is that there is a huge scale in between the ideal ethical breeder and a puppy farm. Your breeder sounds dodgy but not a horrendous puppy farm and hopefully your pup will be fine. The vaccination card could easily be a mistake and to the pp who said a vet won't take someone's word for previous vaccinations- ours did exactly that - they aren't dealing with handover paperwork in any way and I just read out the details on my pups card when I called to register her and book in for second vaccinations. Having 2 bitches both having puppies fairly close together does not automatically equal a puppy farm either. She's council registered so that's a plus. The giant red flag is the puppies leaving at 7 weeks but you could take some responsibility for that too. Personally I'd have refused to take the puppy til 8 - have you asked her why she did that? Vaccinations aren't the main reason puppies should stay with their mums til that age. Could lockdown have changed her circumstances for example? Ours wasn't supposed to come til 9 weeks but we were concerned that our incredibly rural breeders were not able to socialise pups in a way they usually would have been pre lockdown especially as we live in a busy city and have dc which they don't. We got her instead at 8+2. I suspect she's not the best or most ethical breeder but don't think it sounds like your puppy was shipped here and brought up in a filthy pen either. You have her now so I'd just concentrate on ensuring the vaccination issue is dealt with and look up issues associated with pups leaving mum too soon so you are educated and prepared on how to prevent or deal with them but hopefully 4 days won't make a huge difference

I really wouldn’t worry about pup leaving mum a few days early. By week 7 they are on solids and only visit the milk bar because, in their minds it’s still manna from heaven. Mum, especially if she’s raised a large litter, is probably totally fed up with them by then, her teats are likely sore from their sharp teeth and she’ll naturally distance herself from them. You’ve done the right thing contacting the Vets, wait and see what information they come back with.

@midnightstar66 agreed.
I did ask and she just said that the pick ups will be all over the place with the lockdown and they are already vaccinated. I should of asked her to keep him longer. Although, he would of been left alone with his mum for those few days as the other pups left before him, so not sure it would of made a massive amount of difference but yes. I take that criticism on that one. I did that part wrong.

@TilerSwift thank you. Yes will be interesting to see what info I get from the breeders vet

“The vaccination card could easily be a mistake and to the pp who said a vet won't take someone's word for previous vaccinations”

They shouldn’t in a situation where there’s something wrong with the card - because it might mean the puppy ends up not being fully vaccinated.

So because everyone else took their pup away from the mum early you did too? Because the woman said the paperwork was done? Did you not think about the well-being of the puppy or did you just ‘want’ it ASAP as a possession? Why don’t you call the woman today and ask her to clarify why she let the puppies away nearly a week (not ‘just a couple of days’) early and express your concerns?

I don't understand why puppy farming would be illegal when pig farming isn't. Pigs are just as intelligent as dogs.

There are many people who decry puppy farming who eat bacon. I don't understand the difference between the two. Dogs are livestock bred for a demand just like pigs are. Anyone who is sentimental about animals would think either are unacceptable.

I'm unsentimental about animals and I think a lot of pet owners gloss over the way the pet trade operates. And it has to operate in this way or it couldn't keep up with demand. If all dogs were bred as advocated on mumsnet very few people would own a dog. And that might be for the best.