Did I buy a puppy farm pup?

[Caross]

Hi all. I am a bit concerned that I might of bought a puppy farm pup!!
I responded to an add for a specific breed of pup that I have been looking for, they are also really hard to get, very popular breed.
I thought all seemed well as I got sent a photo of mum and the testing results from the dad. Then I got videos and photos of my pup whenever I asked, in one or two videos I seen the rest of the litter. Although, the breeder allowed him to be picked up at 7 weeks 3 days old, which was unexpected.
We had to use a pet transportation service due to the current restrictions on travel so we weren’t able to pick him up. The breeder would of been allowed to bring him to us but said she wouldn’t so we had no choice but to hire someone to do it. Turns out that all the other pups had gone home a day or two before ours and he was the last one there.
Someone else contacted me on Instagram asking who I got my pup from. I gave them the information, they came back and said they decided not to go any further with our breeder as there was another litter due in 5 weeks and they suspected it could be a puppy farm.
I feel really foolish. I was under the impression that our pup was born from her family pet. I had no idea she had another dog, (or potentially the same poor dog) who is expecting another litter.
Another reason I thought it seemed really safe was that she has a very public dog walking and boarding business.
Does this sound suspicious to anyone else or could there be a innocent explanation?

First and last post on Mumsnet. Never again

I’m so glad your rabid mongrel is having a great life OP 😉

Don’t stop posting - you will probably need some support through those demanding, naughty, bitey puppy months.

Just name change and tell MN that your puppy is a KC registered spaniel, Labrador, retriever, GSD or anything you want really. You won’t get any hassle.

Poodle crosses are the lowest of the low on MN 😂 but I guess you have found that out 🙄

Enjoy your pup. He is gorgeous. Put in the training and you’ll have a dog to be proud of 🐶 Build up confidence to tell the kids you don’t want them running over to stroke your dog - because believe me they will!

I had a friend who called my Cockapoo everything. She had the most absolutely perfect KC registered, son of Crufts champion, Springer Spaniel (in reality it was bad tempered, spoilt and dog/person reactive). He died earlier this year. Guess what puppy she has bought and is waiting for - yep, a cavapoo! 😂

@Alymcnabs haha, thank you! I’m sure some on here will repeat that I just don’t like when people have a different opinion, but it’s not that, there are a few posters on here who have been firm but fair with their advice, some who have been wholly supportive and some who have just been rude and unhelpful.

I will enjoy him. We are reading Easy, Peasy, Puppy squeezy and we will take him to classes once restrictions here lift. Very excited.
Thank you

Poodle crosses are the lowest of the low on MN 😂 but I guess you have found that out

No. The breeders are. Not the dogs.

No. The breeders are. Not the dogs

Would that be all poodle cross breeders or just puppy farmers? You are aware that not all poodle crosses come from puppy farms right? Just like not all “pedigree” dogs come from reputable breeders. Even puppy farmers breed “pure pedigree” dogs - Does that come as a shock to you?

Will this thread ever bloody dieeeeeee. Probably not cos people will still keep popping on who haven't rtft and keep offering their (blatantly obvious) view that puppy farms are awful. We know! We get it!

And the poodle cross hate CRACKS. ME. UP. It's definitely not like this in my real life, where our town's facebook page is full of gorgeous crosses.

Some people like different dogs to you. That aren't even REAL BREEDS!

Glad you had a good laugh WhySeaEmm because there is nothing funnier than a load of unscrupulous people selling a load of grey cell challenged people mongrels that they have bred in awful conditions for a whole lot of money. ABSOLUTELY. HILARIOUS.

People can like any type of dog they want. I love all types of dog and yet I don’t condone exploitative, neglectful and downright abusive breeding practices.

yet I don’t condone exploitative, neglectful and downright abusive breeding practices.
Nobody is doing that. OP posted in the first place because she was worried she might have unwittingly supported it.

And I don't get the 'mongrel' hate. Never have, never will.

A "cross breed" is a mongrel, it's a new term but is the same thing, just because everyone is breeding 2 types of dog and slapping a fancy name on it doesn't make it not a mongrel. And mongrels are great, most of my dogs have been rescue mongrels. The want for fashionable "cross breeds" has driven lots of dodgy breeding practices.

I think the 'poo crosses have just come to symbolise everything that is wrong with designer dog breeding, people buying puppies because of the way they look, not understanding breed traits & dog needs and thus a lot of misery for dogs & owners.
Poo crosses and brachy breeds always take a hit, I suppose if it makes a few people think more carefully about their decisions then it's no bad thing.

I’m an owner of a poo cross who has brought nothing but joy. My neighbour with two pure bred Staffies constantly makes comments like the ones on this thread about my breed choice. I ignore it as my dog doesn’t scare kids in the park, isn’t so strong it can knock a child over even when just trying to be friendly and doesn’t have a jaw of steel that slices through every ball that goes over their wall.

I also have a friend with a pure bred pug bred to within an inch of its life so it wheezes and gets eye infections all the time. But thank God it’s not a mongrel! There is a huge amount of snobbishness and hierarchical posturing dressed up as morality in the dog owning community.

@Mostlylurkingiam wrong.

A crossbreed involves two breeds of different proportions. A Cockerpoo is a crossbreed. That might be a direct half and half or it could be 1/8 Cocker and 7/8 Poodle but in any case only two breeds are involved.

A mongrel has more than two breeds in the mix. So Dad might be a Cockerpoo, Mum might be a Lab or whatever.

• sometimes different proportions.

There is a huge amount of snobbishness and hierarchical posturing dressed up as morality in the dog owning community
That is so true, sadly.

My DDog is a mongrel, the result of a backyard breeder having enough when the mum turned on him after SHE'D had enough.
He turned her over to a neighbour who took her in to a rescue, after the owner said he'd have her PTS.
My DPup was born into a lovely foster home, he's a staffy/lurcher/collie cross.
I'm INCREDIBLY opposed to irresponsible breeding.

I don't have one, I have a favourite breed, but am really interested in this thread as breeding and unscrupulous breeders apart all the people I know with these crosses are really sensible people who want one because they like all the ones they meet. They tend to be really active people who take them running or on family bike rides and are always on the go.
It seems quite different to squashy face dogs.

OP - one watch out if that a dog removed from its litter too young may (statistically) struggle with appropriate dog behaviour when it is older. They learn much if it during weeks 6+ from their mum. I really hope this isn't the case for your little guy but worth knowing so you can put extra effort into helping by him learn it now.

If this has already been mentioned then apologies for not reading the full thread - I just couldn't stomach the tone of some replies.

There is a huge amount of snobbishness and hierarchical posturing dressed up as morality in the dog owning community

Rubbish. I own a JRT x Yorkie and a Griffon x Husky, I just didn’t pay any money for them they were rescues. And it is immoral to financially support he breeding of puppies based on fashion fads rather than sound breeding practices that do the best possible to ensure healthy puppies with good temperaments.

“breeding practices that do the best possible to ensure healthy puppies with good temperaments”

How does that statement fit with breeding a pug or bull dog which are breeds that exaggerate features that make breathing and eye sight vulnerable?

Everyone gets at the poo crosses but there are worse breeding practices out there.

“Everyone gets at the poo crosses but there are worse breeding practices out there.“

Depends... there’s not really much worse than farms with neglected dogs churning out puppies without any though of their health tbh, crosses or pedigrees.

I’m sure some breeders of brachy types are better than that... and I’m sure some small scale poodle cross breeders are producing healthier pups than lots of brachycephalic breeders...

But you’ll often find people who advise that poodle crosses can be a bit of a minefield in terms of health and welfare will also advise against brachycephalic breeds because of health and welfare issues as well.

It’s not an either or thing really.

PicnicHamper it doesn’t...now tell me when did I ever recommend that anyone should buy a brachycephalic breed? Are designer cross breeds or brachycephalic breeds the only two option you can come up with?

How does that statement fit with breeding a pug or bull dog which are breeds that exaggerate features that make breathing and eye sight vulnerable?
To be fair my friend breeds French bull dogs. She had one years ago before they were fashionable and realised the problems a flat face could bring so the next one she got was a lovely big bodies long nosed, free breathing version. She bred a couple of litters and the pups all came out the same she was also easily able to give birth herself which is another issue for most French bulldogs. She kept one of these pups and has now had a litter off her. Again lovely free breathing dogs with nice long bodies - will never win at crufts but great healthy dogs with amazing temperaments and make brilliant pets. She offers life time support and keeps in touch with everyone who has a pup and not one has had any health issue, one comes back regularly for boarding when her owner goes on holiday and only one has ever been returned as he and the owners original dog just didn't get on. Even in these breeds not every breeder is bad

@Booboostwo please can I see a pictured of your dog, I can't even imagine what that combination might look like

I know what you mean Midnightstar....he gets double takes everywhere he goes. Grifon x Husky is best guess. Griffons are very popular here and his coat, colouring and tail are very distinctive Husky.

@Booboostwo he is very cute indeed!