Why are there so many wankers on this board?

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They’re on every thread. I’ve never known a board like it. People come on asking for advice and you can guarantee within a couple of replies someone will jump on something in the OP, often something completely irrelevant to what is being asked. They’re judgemental, condescending, rude and often just plain nasty.

It’s happened to me time and time again and it’s stopped me asking for advice which is such a shame because there’s so many people on here with so much knowledge and experience.

It’s made this a horrible place to be.

I’m sure I’m a savage wanker.
The vast majority of puppies bought in the U.K. are from unethical breeders.
All my animals before getting a dog have been rescues. Looking into getting a dog was a massive eye opener.
Rescues from puppy farms who “stand” whenever handled as they think having a person near them means they will be mated.
Puppies with awful injuries not having vet help.
Puppies dying from parvo shortly after being bought.
Puppies being sold to people who really are not in any position to care for them.
It’s animal welfare that’s paramount for me. And the number of people who say “well my dog is lovely” or that they can’t wait for a dog or must have one at the start of the summer holiday etc etc. It’s shocking.

I am wary of dog rescues if someone is a first time dog owner, has small children, some breeds find noise the chaos small children cause very stressful. Which is why owners to be are vetted by charities, they may feel it unfair but it really is in their best interests to have the right dog for them. We have always bought family friendly breed dogs for this reason, from our own children to now grand children.

When I see pics of children who have been bitten or worse it is heartbreaking. My brother was savaged by a dog walking to school, that fear stayed with him.

This board is really watered down to what it has been

Search some of the original Valhalla threads

Animal welfare is massively important, but there is a huge gulf between puppy farming and a farming family breeding their terriers to keep a ratting line going, and selling a few puppies for a couple of hundred quid each to people they are either know directly, or know about, or a family which has bred dogs before breeding their pet bitch just the once (to keep one) and vetting the puppy buyers. But they do tend to get all lumped together. There's no agreed definition of the mythical 'ethical breeder', and we all have our own ideas about what constitutes one and - in my case anyway - I tend to look at the overall package rather than running my finger down a checklist. It's a discussion that really needs opening up which I why I keep binding on about it.

The problem with the internet is that tone is lost, the humanity of the other posters is easily lost, and so it's really easy for a pile-on to start. I've been under one and it's horrible, and it doesn't teach you that you're wrong, it teaches you that some posters are wankers. I try hard not to join in any pile-ons; I'm sure I sometimes fail.

In real life it's different. There's a bloke round here with a manic adolescent dog who almost got a gob-full from me when his dog yet again interrupted me training my own dog. I'm glad I bit it back because he's turning out to be a caring and responsible owner as he finds his feet with dog ownership, and is working really hard on recall.

I can, however, completely see why reckless puppy buyers could leave a vet feeling bloody jaded after 15 years. I'd be pissed off too.

And heat and Stella, thank you.

Bitey
There are a million ways to bring up a dog and it's easy to forget that we are all just trying to do the right thing
Precisely.

I agree OP. And with what @Ughmaybenot said ... this need to be the most knowledgable while also making everyone else feel as stupid as is possible.

soo much virtue signalling and pompous lecturing.

There used to be a sticky thread in the Doghouse. Several posters, including at least one vet had put a lot of effort into it, in a very non- wankerish way. There was good information about about buying a puppy, amongst other things.
Sadly MN decided to take it down after a while.

I'll be very honest, this place isn't friendly or welcoming generally (although I like the puppy thread). I posted one thread and was absolutely SLATED. For saying I would crate train in one sentence (that wasn't the point of the thread at all). It makes new puppy owners feel stupid. I even got told I shouldn't be getting a dog.

Some of us don't know what we're doing and need help, not criticism.

I agree OP.
My heart sinks when someone asks for advice and then mentions their dog is a crossbreed. Because inevitably the actually behavioural issue will be lost amidst the ‘puppy farm’ ‘why did you get that breed’ ‘if it was a decent breeder they would have given you their kidney as collateral’ etc

There is a huge difference between puppy farms and backyard/home breeders but MN doesn’t seem to see that.

Some home breeders are responsible, some are not. It’s perfectly ok to get a puppy from someone who does it as a business, in fact better to as they will actually have experience and knowledge.

Also, everybody fucks up at some point. Dogs are unpredictable. Dog loses recall suddenly and the owner is irresponsible for letting it off lead.

Some dogs can be left for more than 4 hours.
Retired greyhounds are not the magic answer.
Some people prefer doodle mixes.
Some people pay £1000s for a puppy
Some people want a rescue
All are ok

Yes, I often marvel at some responses on this forum. Not so much at the advice, which is often just copy and paste, with a few slight adjustments, but how people maintain a life of their own, whilst owning a dog. You can work, but must not leave the dog. If your dog behaves like a total shit, either at home, or god forbid, in public, you must get it a therapist, because you've obviously failed it. That is of course, if you've found the ever elusive breeder, meet higher standards than taking on a human child, and are willing to wait longer than an elephants pregnancy to get the puppy. Don't give up on dog ownership OP, it's great, and I would never be without mine, but they are part of my family, not what my whole world revolves around.

I wouldn’t buy from someone who saw breeding as a business. To make it financially viable they will either have a LOT of bitches or breed too often from each one.
And pet owners? Again doing it for cash. No consideration for genetics, rarely health testing or knowing enough to do a really good job.
For me it’s about making the most ethical choice. If you’re going to buy from a breeder it’s the least you can do.

Annabegins sums it up really

Never said breeders were “EVILL” or even evil.
But most breeders are not in it for good reasons. If a breeder is simply after the money they are never going to be doing the best regarding dog welfare.
And I now have two dogs. Has taken me years and a lot of time to find two breeders I trust and who were breeding for the right reasons.
Some of us just want cute pups.
And some of us won’t lower their standards to take a pup from just anywhere.
I couldn’t have what I wanted and rescue. So I had to do the next best thing possible. Research, wait and travel for the pup.

There's extremists in everything. You just have to weed them out.

Dog ownership is not black and white but so many make it out to be.

Not all cross breeds are bad and wanting one doesn't make you stupid or the devil. Not all purebreeds are good.

Not all non kc reg breeders are bad, the same as not all kc reg breeders are good.

Different training techniques work for different breeds and different breeds are good for different people. I don't want a bloody greyhound.

Theres nothing wrong with getting a puppy. Rescuing a dog is not always the best or most sensible choice. If you want a specific breed then get one. You're not the devil for buying a puppy. We don't all want terriers, staffs and greyhounds. Just be careful where you get it from and don't get it from a pet shop or puppy farm.

As long as you pick your dog carefully, do whats best for your family and commit to that dog then your doing OK.

Where on Earth have I mentioned the devil???
But it’s very much a case of buyer beware. Maybe if people had to volunteer at shelters or spend time working in rescue they would actually see why it’s an issue.
Or maybe they’re really too selfish. Who knows?

Haha I know what you mean! People are so brass on here, I doubt most of them are that bold in real life. I feel sorry for people who take their comments to heart. If it's me the snide remarks just make me laugh.

1. Not my behaviour so not my problem
2. Don't really care about the opinions of strangers I just ignore them.

If a breeder is simply after the money they are never going to be doing the best regarding dog welfare
A breeder that is passionate about their breed is not going to be sending out unhealthy puppies. Because worthy of mouth will mean their business will fail.
They want people to recommend and return for more puppies. So they create healthy puppies.
It’s a business because they are providing goods to sell. And they need to make a profit because they want to give up any other job and focus full time on it. So they have to have more than one litter a year. Doesn’t make them irresponsible.

Yes, some do it for quick bucks because they are too lazy to work. But some know what they are doing.

Oh and I do work in dog rescue and agree that rescue dogs are not the answer to everything and sometime a puppy is better.

No but multiple litters a year will mean too many bitches or bitches having too many litters.

But what’s wrong with having more than one bitch? Absolutely nothing at all.

And here we go again , which is precisely what the OP is on about . I hope I’m not included with the wankers , if I am could someone please let me know

So if you only want the "breeder" to have one bitch and only breed her what, once every other year - then they are not a breeder are they, they are just someone breeding their pet every now and then - or a so called backyard breeder. Which are also according to people on these boards - the devil.

@Annabegins7 yep, precisely. Breeders aren't allowed to make money except for my breeder whose business it is to breed