How much is it to get a dog pts

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This is very difficult to do so please be gentle with me, this dog is not my dog, i can't say too much more about it but he is a rare giant breed dog well known for aggression, bred to protect farms, has been kept in a small pen type enclose for 80% of his life. He is 3 years old now.

The owners do not care about him in the slightest, they won't pay for vet care but also will not rehome or try to find a rescue, ive looked into this myself and do understand that it would be extremely difficult to do this with him anyway, he should of been socialised as a puppy, instead he was locked away and occasionally got out to make the owner look good. He is not trained in any way. I've never seen him act aggressively in fact he only ever looks happy when there's company around but due to his breed and the way he's been raised i've been told by a vet not to trust him at all, i have a one year old so taking this dog in is not possible.

I have recently taken him to the vets and paid for this myself because he was not eating, for the vet to tell me that he's depressed and that these breeds are extremely stubborn with training as a puppy, pretty much impossible as an adult, and that the advice would be to put him to sleep. I just want to be able to help and if the best that i can do is to put him out of this miserable existence he's in then so be it. The owners do not care as long as they don't have to pay.

He's 140lb, how much would this be?

Do not under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES take this dog yourself. Dont do it.
Do not even think about doing it.

DO NOT TAKE THE DOG YOURSELF

So in summary:
DO NOT take this dog yourself under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. Not for one second. Not for a million billion pounds.

NO WAY.

The dog walker said that they had issues with him in the past, and that the owner did not give them much information on the dog before they walked him and they tried to walk him as part of a group at first but he got overwhelmed and difficult to control being walked by their strongest walker so they tried one on one walking but there were issues with that as well, they didn't explain too much, they did ask if he was with the same family and it was when i said yes that they said to report as a dangerous dog and have him destroyed so i'm not sure if they meant to do that to get him out of the conditions he's living in or because they genuinely think he's aggressive

Please be careful having this dog in your car! A territorial dog in an enclosed space is a time bomb.

It sounds like a really difficult situation.

Needing a muzzle when he goes in the vet doesn't mean too much in all honesty. We have to muzzle or have the owners muzzle lots of dogs that outside of that environment are perfectly fine. We certainly wouldnt be suggesting pts

However all the things you say are ringing alarm bells with me.

Do contact mastiff rescue. RSPCA are as useful as a chocolate teapot tbh.

It was when i saw the vet in august she suggested the rspca and said they were quite good following things up but when i called they didn't end up investigating at all

My point being that the vet wouldn't be suggesting pts unless they were seriously concerned.

Poor dog.

However, as others have said , he isnt your responsibility.

Sometimes socialisation won’t help breeds bred to do a job. If he is bred to protect and guard to the extent that this breed it its very hard to overrule genetics. I work with dogs in a behaviour setting and hate the fact some people think all dogs can be cuddled into good behaviour as it’s complete rubbish.

Realistically the options for this dog are limited but you need the owner to sign the dog over to yourself to be able to make any decisions.

He won't be in my car again, when he jumped at me the last time we drove to the vets i walked him back to the house then walked back to my car at the vets, my arm and chest are still aching now from that ten minute walk!

ryton sorry i missed your earlier post! He's in the east midlands

He isn't my responsibility, i just can't stand seeing him how he is and i can't avoid him as it's my job to go to that house and basically just sit there for 7 hours 4 days a week!

The RSPCA would not be my first port of call. If you really want to help this dog (bearing in mind he has not put a foot wrong, other than not been trained to walk on a lead) then try contacting rescues that specialise in bigger breeds. They will only regime to people with breed experience and they will be able to assess his temperament.

Bull Mastiff rescue
Neapolitan Mastiff rescue
Rottweiler rescue

And if they are full/can't help, get recommendations from them.

Good luck OP - you are doing a kind thing, but don't re-home him yourself as you don't have the facilities or the experience.

Hello OP. Can you tell me please if the dog was bought in the UK, and by the current owner?

id agree with Notwiththeseknees

rspca are bloody rubbish in these situations. contact a breed specific rescue.

i dont think he warrants pts just yet until he can be assessed for possible work and rehoming.

i actually might know someone....hes a dog handler, coming up to retirement with a small holding but has other dogs and there is no guarantee ill see him before he retires unfortunately else id ask if he was interested....

he needs a chance i think. no one knows what his temperament is like as he has not been assessed by anyone with any no how.

What do you mean he jumped at you in the car?

Do you mean he lunged aggressively or jumped forward trying to get away or what?

And I completely agree with maneandfeathers dogs are what they are.

The kennel club is trying hard to water down all breeds and create golden retrievers wearing different jackets but really, imo, dogs should be bred ‘fit for purpose’ and in a lot of cases, still are.
Don’t like the traits, don’t get the breed.

In the right hands a boerboel will be an amazing dog.
In the wrong hands the same dog will be a dangerous liability.

With a highly territorial and possessive dog, bred to be that way, you can certainly train them to ignore other dogs, to ignore strangers or maybe greet strangers politely and briefly and wait for you to ‘okay’ guests.

But you will never ever convince that dog to be a ‘doggy dog’ or roll over at strangers for belly rubs or not be bothered about strange noises near the home.
Because it is bred into them to be deeply suspicious and possessive and aggressive to anything outside of the ‘family unit’.

This dog, assuming he’s not aggressive, needs a specialist list home.
You are not that home.

If he is genuinely aggressive then most, of not all rescues will probably euthanise because he is a liability

I'm don't think he's the original owner of the dog as i remember him saying that he was imported from italy

But i also don't know if that was when he was a puppy or not

How long has he had him?

If he imported him I imagine he would have been at least 4, if not 5 months old because I think the rabies vaccine is done at 16 weeks

I'm not sure, i know he's 3 years old and he was 1 an a half when i started working there

This dog's best option is breed specific rescue. They can assess him, bring in a behaviourist and can also make the decision to pts if this is necessary.

If the owner has given permission for you to pts I would hope he would also agree to sign the poor dog over to rescue ( this is important as he needs to legally give up ownership).

I'm guessing he's been bought as a puppy and left outside with no socialisation or training. This is something many people do, and it causes huge and lasting problems for the dog, but of course with a dog of this size and strength the problems are not something many people will want to take on.

Sympathies OP, it's a horrible situation to be in .

I don't even know if it was him that imported the dog or if someone else did and he bought the dog from them, just more money down the drain for a dog he treats like shit! I know he paid 2.5k for him i don't know wether that would be with importation or just for the dog

My aunt has had several boerboel on her farm in SA, one follows the other. They are fantastic dogs and very loyal, two or three have died of snake bites of all things! I remeber them as having longer legs though, they are very active and roamed their enclosed farm yard freely 24/7. They were a ball of muscle. Slept in her bedroom at night. Slobbered everywhere. Lovely dogs. Poor thing :( just remember there are worse things for an animal to be than dead, euthanasia isn’t always cruel, more often than not the decision is made out of love xxx

doggy he was squealing as i was driving and as i stopped i opened the door and he tried to get out through the middle of the front seats which he obviously couldn't fit through, he growled as he jumped forwards but calmed down straight after

Just to check the age of the dog - you said he had a dog walker 'a few years ago'?

I know you've said that the owner isn't bothered about the dog, and agrees to him being put to sleep if he doesn't have to pay. There is a financial value in this dog however - is he not bothered about that? I'm trying to understand how the owner got the dog relatively recently, probably paying a lot of money for him, valued him as a status dog at least, and now isn't bothered if he's euthanised?

Giant breeds here - I will help you if I can, but can't currently take him myself or for the foreseeable future unfortunately.

the owners facebook is covered in pictures of this dog as a puppy, he was adorable. A few pictures of him as an adult but in all honestly he's scruffy now and looks pretty scary so i'm not sure if it was a status thing or what, he does nothing for the dog except feed it once a day if he can't get anyone else too, the dogs only cleaned out if his son wants extra pocket money

Unfortunately it is a breed you can buy online from a small number of unscrupulous advertisers who don't check or particularly care that it's going to a suitable home. Even without being neglected for 3 years, they need a knowledgeable and dedicated home, preferably experienced with this sort of giant breed. If they get that, they're a fantastic dog.

This dog doesn't need to be euthanised, at least not at this stage, from what you have said. He needs to be assessed by specialists ideally starting in his home environment, then removed from that environment to the specialist rescue for a thorough assessment to continue. Only then could a decision be made. It doesn't need to be a rescue specific to this breed, but ideally specific to this type of giant breed.