How much is it to get a dog pts

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This is very difficult to do so please be gentle with me, this dog is not my dog, i can't say too much more about it but he is a rare giant breed dog well known for aggression, bred to protect farms, has been kept in a small pen type enclose for 80% of his life. He is 3 years old now.

The owners do not care about him in the slightest, they won't pay for vet care but also will not rehome or try to find a rescue, ive looked into this myself and do understand that it would be extremely difficult to do this with him anyway, he should of been socialised as a puppy, instead he was locked away and occasionally got out to make the owner look good. He is not trained in any way. I've never seen him act aggressively in fact he only ever looks happy when there's company around but due to his breed and the way he's been raised i've been told by a vet not to trust him at all, i have a one year old so taking this dog in is not possible.

I have recently taken him to the vets and paid for this myself because he was not eating, for the vet to tell me that he's depressed and that these breeds are extremely stubborn with training as a puppy, pretty much impossible as an adult, and that the advice would be to put him to sleep. I just want to be able to help and if the best that i can do is to put him out of this miserable existence he's in then so be it. The owners do not care as long as they don't have to pay.

He's 140lb, how much would this be?

I used to own rotweillers. One was a rescue with behaviour issues and i wouldn't take this dog on.

As i said, the one i met was a big softie and a lovely dog but i really hope this isnt going to become the new trophy breed.

Wow he is a stunning looking dog. He looks pretty healthy fat in that picture. I would maybe contact mastiff rescue or similar. Even rottie rescue. Im sure someone would love him.

Yes he does, in the summer he's a good weight he loses it all in the winter when it gets cold as he's kept outside and with going off his food as well this winter he's the skinniest i've ever seen him. They feed him every day 'or so' (in their words) and the bowls they give him are huge so i feel he's being overfed in summer and underfed in winter when he needs it more with being an outdoor dog

Poor thing - your neighbours sound horrible.

i paid for him to go to the vets in august for his claws clipping as they were just ridiculous and between them and when i took him to the vets the other day he's lost 8kg baring in mind he has no exercise whatsoever

That is significant weight loss

Oh bless him.

I can't believe there isn't someone out there couldn't give him a chance.

I've got experience with large breeds but I have a huge gsd and he will as you say need a dog free assessment to begin with.

Just feel so sad for him. Bastards to neglect and treat him like that.

They're not my neighbours, i have the misfortune of being the carer of a lovely old lady who has a disgusting family that she lives with, i'm aware i'm way to involved to be taking her sons dog to the vets but if i don't no one else will and i can't stand the thought of him or any animal suffering

Ive read through your updates, what really sticks out to me are the words of the dog walker.
That he is uncontrollable and aggressive.

This dog is absolutely enormous, incredibly strong and if bred correctly presumably incredibly territorial of his property and possessive of his people.

You’d have to know what you are doing to take on a dog like that because a super possessive and territorial dog inadequately controlled could be incredibly dangerous.

Have you seen any evidence of aggression from him out and about?
How much time have you spent with/how well do you really know this dog?

I think if the dog walker had said something more along the lines of he’s incredibly boisterous and hard to control but there’s no malice in him it would be different.

But they said something very different indeed.

He's a beaut! Walking he'd be best suited to a head collar as he'd naturally turn to follow his head and allows greater control for hefty dogs. Definitely go down the mastiff rescue route as pp suggested. He looks in very good condition there so he's obviously well fed. Poor lad hope you can get him sorted somewhere OP.

The problem with him is that if he goes for another dog, you'd have no chance of holding him back and every chance of getting caught up in the scrap. You've seen him with people he is familiar with but what about strangers, people with umbrellas, squeaky pram wheels? All these have scared my dog and made him snap and lunge initially. You'd be in a right pickle if he reacted like that.

Ill try every rescue i can before thinking of the alternative. when i say i've not seen him be aggressive i do mean around the family, there was one incident the other day when i took him to the vets, he gets scared in the car as he's not used to it so being crammed into the back of my a3 (with back seats down) he was terrified, i pulled up outside the vets and he jumped through the middle of the front seats growling a bit, i jumped out of the car and landed on the floor by the time i'd got up he had calmed down. They muzzle him the second we step into the vets and while we're in there he shows zero interest in any other dogs but i'm not sure that would be the case if he wasn't muzzled

It’s not your job to think of the alternative. It really isn’t. Are you safe when you go to the property?

There are rescues specialising in giant /large breed dogs, people with experience. Please don’t let him die because he’s in the wrong hands.

The family have said that he's never tried to attack any of them, he's a very protective dog though so any time he's out of his pen he's in between his owners legs and following him everywhere, the only time i've been able to take him for a walk was when his owner wasn't there because when he is the dog will just sit down and not move.

The owner does not seem to understand that a dog of this size can not be kept outside in a tiny pen with no exercise, be forgotten about sometimes when it comes to food, and not have access to the healthcare it needs

actually thats a good sign - he shows no interest.

my dog is an absolute softie BUT he barks like a loon at other dogs until they greet.

has he ever greeted or met another dog other than in the vet?

god - my job means i know a police dog handler who now is a trainer of large breeds..

where abouts is he in the country?

im hand wringing here....i arent sure pts sleep is the only option just yet you know

what exactly did the dog walker say?

The fact he doesn’t show aggression to family/known people doesn’t mean a lot to be honest.

What is important is how he reacts to strangers and other dogs.

If what the dog walker said is true, that he is human and/or dog aggressive then I am sorry to say I think you should let him go.

The chances of such a big dog with aggression issues finding a new home are slim to none and frankly he’d be a massive liability.

A dog that size cannot be controlled physically.
Only verbally.
If he ‘went’ you’d really be in big trouble and it’ll be taken out of your hands anyway.

doggy did you see he has met dogs in the vet but not shown interest in them?

ryton he shows no interest in the VETS.
The vet is an immensely stressful environment, he may well have been shut down from stress.

The OP needs to see him in a relaxed neutral environment to make an accurate assessment.

Mastiffs are great dogs and so loyal. I've known loads of them. I live in SA. Please don't put him to sleep, they're such dosey giants. They're beautiful

wolfie the owner does not care, he doesn't care if the dog gets put to sleep, he does not properly look after the dog, if there is no one else to take him that won't just put him to sleep anyway then with permission from the owner who's only argument is that he doesn't want to pay for it pts would be my last option, to end the shitty existence he has. They don't clean him out for weeks on end he's a huge dog in a tiny space. I've rang the rspca twice and they didn't even come out to look

im honestly wondering about these "aggression issues" though - he has not been seen by anyone who knows what they are doing and the op hasnt seen him be aggressive - just protective and attached to his owner.

my dog follows dp around like a lamb. he also barks at anyone or anything coming to the house.
he is the least aggressive dog ever but his breed and size would make people think he is.

i dont think he should be pts on a whim but i do think he needs out of his current dire situation the poor thing.

Whoa whoa whoa.
Protective?

What exactly does ‘protective’ entail here?

Because any situation where the owner is not directly under threat and the dog is posturing, barking, whatever is NOT protection and should never be thought of as such.

IF the dog walker is telling the truth and if this dog genuinely is aggressive then the reality is his chances of finding a good home are slim to none.

As lovely as Mastiffs can be you have to think logically here.

This dog is sufficiently big enough to be unable to be controlled physically, only verbally due to its size and strength.

The only other person who knows this dog and has interacted with this dog in a neutral environment claims it is uncontrollable and aggressive.

Alarm bells should be ringing.

You can not accurately assess a dog’s temperament only in its own environment where it’s confortable, with its own people where it’s comfortable and a high stress environment like a vet won’t give an accurate temperament assessment either.

no and thats why i am advocating an assessment by someone with experience of large breeds who is a trainer or behaviouralist

i dont see the issue with suggesting that before the alternative which is euthanasia.

There isn’t an issue with an assessment by a behaviourist, not at all.

I was just making the point that if the dog walker is being truthful and the dog is indeed aggressive then euthanisia would be the best option because the chances of finding someone who could handle him correctly and ensure he wouldn’t be a liability would be so slim.