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Dog Walking Rage

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Ickyockycocky · 05/02/2018 13:56

My dog is a bit nervous, especially when she's crouching for a poo. I think she feels a bit vulnerable. Anyway, today she was on the lead and happily doing a poo when two dogs came up and started sniffing her bum and generally milling around her rear end.

I started saying shoo, go away etc., but one of them was determined and was on the verge of stepping in the pile. I used my foot to protect the dog from stepping in the poo, I'm not sure if there was any contact but if so, it was the dog pushing against my foot.

Anyway, the dog's owner shouted at me aggressively, telling me not to kick his dog. I can't see any way he could have thought that I had kicked his dog. So I calmly said "I didn't kick your dog". He replied that his dogs were only sniffing because that's what dogs do, you silly woman".

I lost it a bit and told him that "actually my dog was having a shit, you silly man". He shouted at me again and I told him he should keep his "fucking dogs under control".

I'm not happy about having dog rage but honestly what type of idiot allows their two dogs to get right up the bum of another dog having a poo?

What would you have done in similar circumstances?

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gingergenius · 08/02/2018 07:44

@cambodianfoxhound agreed. I'm looking at all sorts of options with mine. Although I went on fb to join 'reactive dogs uk' and they told me she doesn't fit the definition of reactive so I'm a bit stumped!

thegirlsallgrowedupnow · 08/02/2018 08:24

Owners training and management skills and indeed their own personality have huge effect on a dogs behaviour though, although I agree not their basic personality.
In my village we regularly see a chap with a collie who is reactive, he deals with the dog by pushing it behind his legs whilst muttering angrily at the poor thing. We have the lady with the young sprocker who since it once chased a pheasant across three fields is never let off lead and she has never had to train a dog recall so isn’t about to start now! (direct quote) Dog is frustrated and has become reactive.
Then there is another lady we meet regularly with a patterdale who wears a yellow bandana and lead who swiftly turns in the opposite direction with a cheery wave.
Then we have the over excited barrelers, the gsp whose owners seem frightened by its energy levels, the choccy lab whose owner appears to ski behind him when on lead. There are also a lot of calm, well behaved dogs I hasten to add and cocodog and I work daily towards that goal.
Just as we can’t choose our parents and therefore our upbringing, neither can dogs. Some owners will do everything possible to help their nervous dog, others won’t . Same with the over excited/rude dogs.

Ickyockycocky · 08/02/2018 08:55

A dog’s life experience also has an impact on their subsequent behaviour. A previously confident dog will probably become anxious if they are surrounded by other dogs and set on. This is nothing to do with training. The owner will probably be anxious as well!

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cambodianfoxhound · 08/02/2018 09:00

Then there is another lady we meet regularly with a patterdale who wears a yellow bandana and lead who swiftly turns in the opposite direction with a cheery wave.

This is actually a technique advised by trained veterinary behaviourists for reactive dogs..

gingergenius · 08/02/2018 09:06

Then there is another lady we meet regularly with a patterdale who wears a yellow bandana and lead who swiftly turns in the opposite direction with a cheery wave.

This is what I do. Better that than have an altercation!

Abra1de · 08/02/2018 09:14

Me too. Unless I have time to do the ‘watch me’ routine.

Mostly we just try to avoid annoying other dog owners.

hannahintheworks · 08/02/2018 12:29

Without wanting to be difficult - what do you think was going to happen to your dog? If the other dogs were not aggressive and just curious, your reaction may be what is causing your dog stress. Yes it’s not very dignified to be sniffed while doing your business, but is it really cause for a shouting match???

DonnyAndVladSittingInATree · 08/02/2018 13:39

hannah A dog who is already feeling vulnerable (pooing) being suddenly cornered by two dogs (outnumbered ) and with no escape route (she was on a lead) could lash out in fear very quickly. Why would you not want to prevent that?

Ickyockycocky · 08/02/2018 13:43

What caused the "shouting match" was being called a silly woman. I refuse to be spoken to like that. I didn't kick the man's dog I stopped it from sniffing my dog's bum and stepping in the poo.

My dog really doesn't like being surrounded by other dogs, especially large ones, when she is on the lead. I definitely don't believe my reaction has caused my dog to feel this way. I think it's a perfectly normal reaction as I know that a dog feels vulnerable, especially if they're in the middle of having a poo. I intervened as my dog can be a bit snappy and I don't want an altercation happening, if it can be avoided.

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Ickyockycocky · 08/02/2018 13:44

X post, well said Donny

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ADishBestEatenCold · 08/02/2018 21:15

If a dog is invading your dog's space in an inappropriate way, likely to cause distress, don't tell it's owner off or ask them to re-call because your dog is nervous, reactive or whatever.

Instead, put on you loudest plummiest voice and call out ...

"Take care! We've got a spot of ringworm going on here! Bit infectious. It's been a bugger to get rid of, don't you know!"

The other dog's owner will have discovered re-call powers they didn't know they had, and scurried away before you've finished the sentence. Grin

gingergenius · 08/02/2018 21:17

@ADishBestEatenCold lol!!

DonnyAndVladSittingInATree · 08/02/2018 21:28
Grin
gingergenius · 08/02/2018 21:35

Let's face it: some dogs just like to be left the fuck alone. Poo or no poo! 💩

Laurel543 · 09/02/2018 11:07

Brilliant! Will definitely be using that one in future. Has the added benefit that they are likely to keep their dog far away from you in any future meetings too.
Thanks Dish!!!

Ickyockycocky · 09/02/2018 14:03

Let's face it: some dogs just like to be left the fuck alone. Poo or no poo! 💩

^ this

and great suggestion with the ringworm Grin

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moosemama · 09/02/2018 14:59

I consider myself an experienced and sensible dog owner and have owned multiple rescue and one pedigree dog over the years.

Out of 7 dogs I’ve trained myself I have had two that were reactive - both rescues with very bad starts.

First one was rescued from a puppy farm, had a serious health condition as a pup which affected his mobility and was enormous, so far too big to carry everywhere. We did our best, but he ended up lacking socialisation during the most critical period and this was topped off with a really bad experience with a horrific vet who traumatised him towards people for life. No matter how much training and behavioural therapy we did we were only able to improve his fear aggression a small amount, to the point where he would ignore other people and dogs, but still panicked if approached. So, once we realised that he wasn’t making any further progress and instead just putting him in situations that stressed him out and made us all miserable, we chose to manage the situation as best we could. Identifying places and times to walk him when there was no-one else around and always going with at least two people so we could easily avoid anyone that might suddenly turn up. Sadly he died from cancer at a young age, so we will never know if he would have improved further as he got older.

Second dog we still have now. He was a rescue, but unbeknownst to us, was not only ill, but highly infectious, when we picked him up. He was dumped at less than 24 hours old, so didn’t have a mother or siblings to learn off and his illness meant that he wasn’t allowed around other dogs until he was 20 weeks old, so missed the critical socialisation period. (Actually, we were permitted to carry him out and about, as long as he didn’t come into actual contact with other dogs and we did A LOT of carrying him, even when he was so big and heavy that we would have to pass him to each other every five minutes. Again we did our best, he went everywhere from the local park and roads and into town to classic car shows and VW meets and was liberally treated in attempt to make positive associations with as many different people and situations as we could possibly manage, so he wasn’t confined to the house in isolation.)

First walk we took him on, he was literally flattened and rolled over by two large breed dogs. A few days later, while we were just getting him over that, it happened again. As a result he became fearful of off-lead dogs. He simply never learned to communicate effectively with his own species and other dogs misunderstand him as much as he does them.

He went to two lots of puppy classes and spent the first few weeks hiding, before gradually coming out, gradually gaining confidence and passing both. He learned to cope with other dogs when they are on the lead, but is terrified of off lead dogs. We have done lots of further training, including BAT and been to see three behaviourists, including one who is the leading specialist for his breed type and he’s better than he was, but will always be a work in progress (he’ll be 5 soon).

He is a bright, loving, well trained lad who is a lovely family pet, but rather more than ever-so-slightly neurotic. Part of that is down to his bad start in life, part we have been told is just who he is (he has breeds in his mix that have a tendency towards being highly strung as well). He has separation anxiety and is reactive to dogs that are running off lead and people will still allow their dogs to career up to him at full speed whilst he is barking and spinning on his lead. Hmm Although still nervous, he will say hello nicely to other dogs that are on the lead or loose, but plodding rather than racing around.

He is happier doing lead walks around the roads, than being in a big open space where another dog could appear any minute. Luckily we have a large garden where he can run and there is fairly local field for hire for off-lead walks without having to worry about other dogs.

My point is that some dogs don’t have the start in life that they need to be confident in every situation and it is possible for people to have a dog from a young pup, do their best to do everything right and still end up with a reactive dog.

The 5 other dogs I have trained have all be well balanced, sociable dogs with no issues. Three of those were also rescued as puppies, but had a better start overall. One was a pedigree that we checked out everything really carefully for before we got her, including the temperaments of both her maternal and paternal lines. We also chose a breeder that started socialisation early and was highly proactive in making sure all her pups were well rounded, with good temperaments and matched to the right owners. She was an awesome dog, trained to a very high standard and brilliant with every man, beast and child she ever met, but then she had luck, breeding and the right start on her side.

I am a huge fan of rescuing dogs, but having had two with such major problems, I am thinking if I ever have another I will probably go for another pedigree with a similar background to my old girl, because I miss being able to go on enjoyable dog walks wherever I want and dogs like my boy require a huge investment of time, effort and emotion over and above your average relaxed, friendly pooch that I don’t feel I will be up to again for a loooong time.

damnsandra · 10/02/2018 09:13

@moosemama brilliant post.

rascallyrascal · 15/02/2018 19:01

I have two young golden retrievers who would probably have done the same thing (sniffing etc) but I would never have been so rude to you OP. I would have apologised profusely.

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