Dog Walking Rage

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My dog is a bit nervous, especially when she's crouching for a poo. I think she feels a bit vulnerable. Anyway, today she was on the lead and happily doing a poo when two dogs came up and started sniffing her bum and generally milling around her rear end.

I started saying shoo, go away etc., but one of them was determined and was on the verge of stepping in the pile. I used my foot to protect the dog from stepping in the poo, I'm not sure if there was any contact but if so, it was the dog pushing against my foot.

Anyway, the dog's owner shouted at me aggressively, telling me not to kick his dog. I can't see any way he could have thought that I had kicked his dog. So I calmly said "I didn't kick your dog". He replied that his dogs were only sniffing because that's what dogs do, you silly woman".

I lost it a bit and told him that "actually my dog was having a shit, you silly man". He shouted at me again and I told him he should keep his "fucking dogs under control".

I'm not happy about having dog rage but honestly what type of idiot allows their two dogs to get right up the bum of another dog having a poo?

What would you have done in similar circumstances?

So hang on Purple what you're saying is unless a person can 'stay home' they are contributing to a dog's behaviour?? That's absolute crap, sorry. Staying home with your dog all day can actually increase things such as anxiety & chewing because the dog isn't used to being alone!! A well rounded dog can be left at home. Some dogs chew...it's up to the owner to put things in place to prevent this but staying home isn't the answer!!

That’s great! If you have a well rounded dog whilst leaving it crates all day. Good for you! 👏👏👏 That’s fantastic!

If, however, you are going to be on the Internet whinging about friendly dogs approaching your reactive dog any time soon you may need a rethink?

Sadly there are too many 'rescue dogs' that people have to make provision for
What a twuntish comment. And in actual fact, my rescue dogs - all actively rescued from shitty situations - are deemed legally under control whilst on a lead. So actually it is me making allowances for off lead dogs who, by being off lead and usually out of sight of their humans could legally deemed to be out of control. Funny that

Yup, clueless. Give the same owner, for example a collie and a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel puppy and I will guarantee those dogs have very different personalities, even with the same owner. Do you only deal with labs?
Umm?? What are you saying? Collies and cavaliers don’t make great pets??

No I mainly deal with labradors, retrievers, collies and spaniels. What about you??

Purple who the fuck said people leave their dogs crated all day??? You seriously have this odd stereotype of reactive dog owners.

FYI? I foster dogs for rescue. Usually dogs that are 8+ and in fact all have gone on to wonderful new homes. I must be doing something right in the short time i 'own' them 😂

I wonder what your excuse will be if you ever get a guide dog puppy that fails it's training. Won't that then, by your own reasoning, be your fault he or she fails?

*my parents got two cockers at 8 weeks from the same breeder. Same upbringing, same exercise/feeding routine etc. Both have very different personalities, especially when it comes to other dogs.

Oddly, both were left during the day as my folks worked...neither has chewed a thing in their lives other than the chews they are given 🤔*

I gave 5 children. None have the same personality but all are sociable, friendly, intelligent beings. I have never sought to rehome any of them. What’s your point exactly??

My point is that your statement of owners giving a dog their overall personality is bullshit. Or are you now changing your stance on that one?

You have fixated on an owner going to work & leaving their dog, which must be causing their reactiveness i guess! Yet completely ignored the other very important factors that can impact massively on a dog's temperament & behaviour.

*Purple who the fuck said people leave their dogs crated all day??? You seriously have this odd stereotype of reactive dog owners.

FYI? I foster dogs for rescue. Usually dogs that are 8+ and in fact all have gone on to wonderful new homes. I must be doing something right in the short time i 'own' them 😂

I wonder what your excuse will be if you ever get a guide dog puppy that fails it's training. Won't that then, by your own reasoning, be your fault he or she fails?*

You must live in a different world to me! There are hundreds of people who wave their dogs crates all day - does that come as a shock to you?? That’s probably because you have no experience of the dog world! 🙄

FYI most puppies don’t make great service dogs. That doesn’t mean they should be thrown on the scrap heap! If you are not a trainer for service dogs you won’t have a clue what is required.

Do you honestly think an owner who shows no interest in basic training their puppy is a great owner?? If so you are part of the problem and nothing is ever going to change your mind.

Sadly there are too many 'rescue dogs' that people have to make provision for
What a twuntish comment. And in actual fact, my rescue dogs - all actively rescued from shitty situations - are deemed legally under control whilst on a lead. So actually it is me making allowances for off lead dogs who, by being off lead and usually out of sight of their humans could legally deemed to be out of control. Funny that

Don’t you think it’s sad that there are so many dogs that need to be rescued lately?

Or do they keep you in a job??

No, your assumption of reactive dog owners - as is very bloody obvious on this thread - is that they leave their dogs in crates all day. Your own bloody post stated that someone who has a puppy who chews should stay home all day. Believe me it isn't me who doesn't live in the real world.

Of course owners should train their dogs. But training does not mean that your dog will not be nervous around other dogs. It does not mean that your dog will enjoy other dogs bouncing all over it! So your point re training yet again ignores the life experiences of dogs!!

I never said pups who didn't make assistance dogs should end up on th scrap heap??? You seriously are having a different conversation to the rest of us. If an owner is the sole defining factor in the way a dog behaves then there is no reason for any pup to fail it's training unless the puppy walker sucks. That's what you have said all along...an owner defines their dog. So why don't all puppies pass their training for assistance dogs if that is the case?

I know plenty about the work that goes into assistance dogs btw 😂 And not just guide dogs. Yet another ridiculous assumption you have pulled out of your ass

My point is that your statement of owners giving a dog their overall personality is bullshit. Or are you now changing your stance on that one?

I will never change my stance on owners giving their dogs their personality. Why do you ask?

I deal with thousands of dogs per year, in various capacities.

There are brilliant owners and there are those who can’t be bothered once the puppy stage is over. What about you?

*No, your assumption of reactive dog owners - as is very bloody obvious on this thread - is that they leave their dogs in crates all day. Your own bloody post stated that someone who has a puppy who chews should stay home all day. Believe me it isn't me who doesn't live in the real world.

Of course owners should train their dogs. But training does not mean that your dog will not be nervous around other dogs. It does not mean that your dog will enjoy other dogs bouncing all over it! So your point re training yet again ignores the life experiences of dogs!! *

So what is your easy way if owners train g their puppies not to chew and to become sociable beings then? Is there an easier way than actually spending time with a pup?

Please give us the benefit of your knowledge. Maybe we can all then crate our puppies all day and fuck off living the high life!

I don’t think there is any point trying to explain it to that poster. They arent capable of getting it.

Purple going from your comments on here i feel sorry for any dog that comes into contact with you. You are very judgemental without actually having a fucking clue. Please stay away from rescue centres & vulnerable dogs.

Having a conversation with you is like being on a merry go round. You have ignored everything bar your 'owners make the dog' bullshit. Says a lot about you!! The conversation is utterly pointless. I do hope you aren't one of those thoroughly irritating dog owners who overestimated their dog's obedience & allows them to terrorise other dogs because you shouldn't have to make allowances 🙄🙄🙄

Donny you are right there!! She seems very focused on crates...makes me think she is projecting her own shitty dog ownership on everybody else!!

Having a conversation with you is like being on a merry go round. You have ignored everything bar your 'owners make the dog' bullshit. Says a lot about you!! The conversation is utterly pointless. I do hope you aren't one of those thoroughly irritating dog owners who overestimated their dog's obedience & allows them to terrorise other dogs because you shouldn't have to make allowances 🙄🙄🙄

^^this.

In fact they’re not even capable of following a conversation.

The problem begins at source. Which is the breeder

Exactly! The breeder who wants to sell their pups to anyone! And unfortunately those pups are sold to the clueless... only to end up in kennels because the owner has no fucking idea about how to raise a pup! We are united in that then yes??

I don’t give a crap about the owners tbh but my heart breaks for the dogs who are shunted from here to there through no fault of their own. And don’t get me started on the wonderful owners who got a pup at 8 weeks and then offer them free on gumtree at 6 months!!

Disgraceful!!

purple no one has suggested that there aren't crappy dog owners out there who don't bother socialising, training or exercising their dogs then give them up for rescue.
We are saying that there are people that do all these things and can still end up with a reactive dog for a number of reasons. A reactive dog is a dog that is scared of it's triggers. Could be other dogs, children on skateboards, anything. Could be for a number of different reasons, lack of exposure when young, a traumatic event associated with or caused by trigger, being in pain etc.
Fear is an emotion so is unresponsive to training. Counter conditioning is how the dog eventually associates the trigger with good stuff. It is a long process which involves the dog seeing his trigger at a distance he feels safe and being given high value treats. If the dog's safety zone is invaded by "dogs who just want to play" or dogs charging up barking and circling etc, the dog will go over threshhold and react. This means a few days off for stress hormones to subside then back to square one in a lot of cases. It's bloody hard work. You've been lucky enough never to have owned a reactive dog before but it doesn't excuse your glib comments.

It does seem that the doghouse attracts goady people. After all, most sensible people can understand other people's view points even if they don't agree with them.