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Can you help us pick a breed?

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GinAndOnIt · 15/11/2016 14:27

We currently have a lab/patt cross who is four years old, but have always had pairs of labs before now, and we are on the look out for a second dog.

We had just assumed it would be a lab, but I think it's worth considering other breeds too. We aren't in a rush, and will probably be a good long while before we actually get round to getting the next dog, but I just want some ideas so I know what we're looking for.

So, we ideally want a dog either a similar size to GinDog (he's a bit larger than a Patterdale) or larger. Can accommodate large dog but not something very powerful like a Ridgeback.

It needs to be a very active dog. An average day for it would either be at home with me which would include a lot of walking, or out at work with DP running alongside the tractor. GinDog can cover a ridiculous amount of miles!

It would need to be clever/alert enough to learn the sounds of farm vehicles, and just basically have its wits about it.

It needs to be a sociable dog that can handle visitors, children occasionally, other dogs, that kind of thing. We always have a rescue cat knocking around as well, so able to be around cats also a must.

Would potentially be a gundog too, but it's not a deal breaker if not.

Other than a Labrador, we've also thought of a beagle or a border collie. I think a beagle would tick the exercise plus social boxes, but I wonder if it would be a bit tricky to train, and whether we would ever get to the point of being able to let it off the lead. I think we wouldn't, and that could cause a problem when out with the tractor. I suppose a dog could stay with me at all times and have walks on the lead, but it is handy having the option to send it off with DP if I'm not well, or have a rare day of not being able to walk a lot.

What other breeds could we consider?

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GinAndOnIt · 16/11/2016 06:40

We don't normally tend to seek out specific puppies, but rather go with either someone we know who is having puppies, or someone we know who is rehoming. So I think it would be unlikely that we'd find a smooth collie, but I'll keep them in the back of my mind anyway!

Those Tollers look really hansom. I'd never heard of that breed until this thread. Do they enjoy being groomed?

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sashh · 16/11/2016 06:56

I think you should take your requirements to a rescue. Everything you describe are reasons people buy a dog then let it go.

If you don't want a cross breed then you might find a specialist rescue place.

I just wouldn't want them to get bored if they aren't herding

They always find something to herd, children, people, hens, cars.

I knew someone just looking after a boarder collie for a few days, the dog would not settle if people were in different rooms, he tried to herd the humans together.

Noitsnotteatimeyet · 16/11/2016 06:56

Ours doesn't need much grooming-he has his feet trimmed about four times a year and other than that he gets brushed through about once a week - dd curls up with him and they have a cuddle/brushing session which they both seem to enjoy!

GinAndOnIt · 16/11/2016 07:31

Perhaps a BC can help me herd GinDog back to me.

Happy to consider cross breeds and rescues, so long as they tick all our boxes. I tend to see 'chases cats' on most rescue dog descriptions for example, which wouldn't suit us. I also have a tendency to be less strict with rescue animals, because I feel so sorry for them in their previous life - I'm a complete pushover with our dear old cat Grin

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minijoeyjojo · 16/11/2016 07:50

I read your list and immediately thought of a Vizsla. We have a 2yr old bitch and lazy is about the least likely word I'd ever use to describe her! She does not stop, is hugely intelligent and is the most loving and soft dog. She is utterly fantastic with our 1 yr old daughter and welcomes all visitors a little too enthusiastically.

If you've got time and are interested I'd suggest joining the Hungarian Vizsla UK Facebook site to find a local Viz Whizz where you be able to go along and meet some more. I'm totally biased because of our wonderful girl, but they are the absolute best dogs.

GinAndOnIt · 16/11/2016 08:00

mini I am very very fond of them. Friends have had them and Weimaraners and I've known all of them to be very soppy (which I quite like!) - am also more intrigued now I know the laziness was specific to that one dog, and not the entire breed!

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NavyandWhite · 16/11/2016 08:10

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GinIsIn · 16/11/2016 08:14

FFS - wrote a big long post and lost it! Hmm

I am not sure where in the country you are but I used to volunteer at Battersea and they are lovely. A lot of the dogs they get in are rehomed before even making it onto the website, and they really take pains to make sure that a dog is matched with the perfect person, so if you get in touch and let them know what you are looking for - high energy, dog and cat friendly outdoorsy dog - they will let you know when something perfect comes in. They get older BC pups (4-8 months) in there all the time actually, as people get them for suburban domestic pets, not realising they are such a high energy, intelligent breed.

Incidentally, we went in to look at a completely different dog, and walked out 2 hours later with our fluffball. "We've got this puppy. She's none of the things you were looking for, but having got to know you, we just have a feeling she's the dog for you..." And they were so right - she was! Grin

GinAndOnIt · 16/11/2016 08:20

We're in East Anglia now but have links to Wandsworth and Brixton, so Battersea isn't impossible. I can't imagine a BC living in London!

Navy that's great info, thank you. Would they be any good at barking at intruders or unusual sounds though?

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GinAndOnIt · 16/11/2016 08:29

Yes that's good. GinDog will bark, then look at me as if to say 'is that enough?' and then if I'm not sure I'll say 'what is it?' and he'll go on a bit more. If it's a knock at the door though, he tends to bark until he's seen who it is.

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NavyandWhite · 16/11/2016 08:35

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pregnantat50 · 16/11/2016 08:39

What about a Border Collie?

Whitney168 · 16/11/2016 08:42

Smooth collies are lovely but rare as hens' teeth.. fewer than 50 puppies registered last year

I imagine registrations will be quite a bit higher this year, there seem to have been a fair few litters about, and there are tri pups available on Collielife.com at the moment.

GinIsIn · 16/11/2016 08:43

Neither can I, which I suppose accounts for the high volume that get handed in, sadly!

Then again, my neighbours at the moment have 2 in their modest terraced house, and they spend a good 5 hours a day walking them, so I suppose it is doable but you'd have to be a bit mad!

GinAndOnIt · 16/11/2016 08:47

It's really useful isn't it? GinDog is a pansy really but he sounds the part.

His finest moment was when I was totally unaware of anyone being around. I was in the garden pottering and he kept barking next to me and it was driving me mad, I couldn't understand why he wouldn't stop. Then I heard whistling and assumed it was NDN also in his garden. After about 15 minutes, and GinDog still barking, he suddenly leapt up and ran towards NDN's garden. (We are two houses on the top of a hill that has to be walked up - drive at the bottom). I followed him round huffing thinking he was going to annoy NDN, and when I turned the corner, there was a man signalling for GinDog to come to him. He jumped a mile when he saw me, muttered something about thinking GinDog was lost?!? and hurried off down the hill. GinDog was really on edge with him which I've not seen before, and I'm convinced the man was trying to pinch him. Because of his size, he does look a lot like a lab puppy from a distance and so highly pinchable!

He's also great at barking on the farm as soon as people veer off the public footpath, although that's probably not so popular on here Wink

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GinAndOnIt · 16/11/2016 08:48

I'm just imagining a sheepdog wandering down Clapham High Street, like two worlds collided Grin

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GinIsIn · 16/11/2016 08:58

Herding bewildered shoppers clutching soya lattes and yoga mats... Grin

CMOTDibbler · 16/11/2016 09:14

My parents had litter sister (I know!) border collies from Border Collie rescue who had been rehomed when unsuprisingly the family who owned them and small children couldn't cope. They spent their life with dad going round the fields, ratting, sitting in his van at the feed merchants, and were super dogs till the day they died at a very good age.
They do need a firm hand as they are intelligent enough to push the boundaries, and a huge amount of stimulation and exercise else they do get neurotic imo. In fact your situation is just about the only one I'd recommend BCs!
Alas, theres loads in rescue as people can't cope, even quite young pups

GinAndOnIt · 16/11/2016 09:24

What sort of stimulation other than exercise mighta BC enjoy? I'm not used to intelligent dogs Grin

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GinIsIn · 16/11/2016 09:35

My aunt and uncle did agility with theirs and she loved it, my friend, who has 3, gives his those puzzle toys and teaches them tricks - one of them can make the bed and open the curtains - but mainly they just like to be busy so it sounds like you have a great set up for that already!

GinIsIn · 16/11/2016 09:36

Disclaimer: some family friends have one on their farm who is as dumb as a box of rocks. He likes to spend his day chasing cars along their perimeter fence so it takes all sorts! Grin

GinAndOnIt · 16/11/2016 09:40

I've been trying for so long to teach GinDog to bring me his bowl at dinner time while I'm getting the cat's food ready. All he does is nudge his food bin with his nose and then look at me like I'm stupid Grin I'd love it if I could get a BC doing that kind of thing!

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CMOTDibbler · 16/11/2016 10:03

You can train a BC to do just about anything - theres a reason they dominate the field at agility, flyball and obedience. But just being out and about chasing pheasants all day is a lot of stimulation to a dog. You might well be able to do some of the things you would do in gun dog training though I've never done that.

Car (and cyclist/runner) chasing can be an issue with BCs, and needs to be nipped in the bud by providing tasks you want them to do and diverting them from unwanted behaviours like that

Hoppinggreen · 16/11/2016 10:37

Actually going back to Tollers they remind me of a cross between a BC and a Goldie - the agility without the need to herd everything!!