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Can you help us pick a breed?

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GinAndOnIt · 15/11/2016 14:27

We currently have a lab/patt cross who is four years old, but have always had pairs of labs before now, and we are on the look out for a second dog.

We had just assumed it would be a lab, but I think it's worth considering other breeds too. We aren't in a rush, and will probably be a good long while before we actually get round to getting the next dog, but I just want some ideas so I know what we're looking for.

So, we ideally want a dog either a similar size to GinDog (he's a bit larger than a Patterdale) or larger. Can accommodate large dog but not something very powerful like a Ridgeback.

It needs to be a very active dog. An average day for it would either be at home with me which would include a lot of walking, or out at work with DP running alongside the tractor. GinDog can cover a ridiculous amount of miles!

It would need to be clever/alert enough to learn the sounds of farm vehicles, and just basically have its wits about it.

It needs to be a sociable dog that can handle visitors, children occasionally, other dogs, that kind of thing. We always have a rescue cat knocking around as well, so able to be around cats also a must.

Would potentially be a gundog too, but it's not a deal breaker if not.

Other than a Labrador, we've also thought of a beagle or a border collie. I think a beagle would tick the exercise plus social boxes, but I wonder if it would be a bit tricky to train, and whether we would ever get to the point of being able to let it off the lead. I think we wouldn't, and that could cause a problem when out with the tractor. I suppose a dog could stay with me at all times and have walks on the lead, but it is handy having the option to send it off with DP if I'm not well, or have a rare day of not being able to walk a lot.

What other breeds could we consider?

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Hoppinggreen · 15/11/2016 16:57

The Toller doesn't bother our cats

BlancheDuBois2 · 15/11/2016 17:03

I wouldn't get a Beagle, they tend to Beagle off to the next county with no warning... in my experience :-) Once they get a scent they're off and no amount of biscuits, calling or training can persuade them otherwise - it's a scent hound thing!

I'd second the working cocker spaniel suggestion, they're lovely dogs and very eager to please in my experience. Nice size too. Very clever though, so do need a lot of stimulation.

GinAndOnIt · 15/11/2016 17:37

Yes, DP said that about beagles. GinDog is a bit of a bugger for running after something that moves, but he always seems to know where I am even if I have no clue where he's scarpered off to - I think it was the social element of beagles that attracted me.

One of our relatives has two cockers so I'll quiz them a bit more. Do they need to be clipped? I can't remember

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Ylvamoon · 15/11/2016 18:04

How about a Parsons Russell Terrier? Smallish but very clever dogs. I found mine easy to train & he was a great Agility dog... did outrun them all!

BlancheDuBois2 · 15/11/2016 19:27

I've never bothered, but working cockers can have longer coats than other breeds, so a quick skirt trim might be in order in the muddiest parts of the country...

I understand the appeal of Beagles, they're attractive and v social, but they're not very easy to walk - they pretty much have to be on leads in open areas. Which they hate, understandably!

GinIsIn · 15/11/2016 19:45

Do you farm livestock, or agriculturally, as that will depend a lot on what suits as well, I should think? Our family farm is agricultural and we have a pointer cross, who is brilliant, but would be rubbish around livestock.

GinAndOnIt · 15/11/2016 19:52

No livestock, just arable. I worried a border collie would be bored without anything to herd?

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GinAndOnIt · 15/11/2016 19:55

I think a Parsons Russell Terrier might be a bit small for us. Just personal preference really, but GinDog does have the tendency to be a bit of a pain around dogs that are smaller than him, I think because he's not used to being around that size a lot. He's mostly around labs that he loves to curl up against!

We like border terriers too, but again GinDog is not so keen.

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GinIsIn · 15/11/2016 19:56

As long as there's something for them to chase, like a nice tractor, that will do very well! Grin

Although don't say I didn't warn you.... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-32411621

GinAndOnIt · 15/11/2016 19:58

Oh, another point to add: we like a dog who can be a bit protective of the house/land. GinDog is brilliant at sounding really mean (he's a complete pansy in reality but sounds scary) and it's really useful for us. I would want the same kind of thing from the next dog too.

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GinAndOnIt · 15/11/2016 19:59

Ha!! That's brilliant! DP would probably say that dog drives a tractor better than I do Wink

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sparechange · 15/11/2016 20:05

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I really want a toller for my next dog but DH won't commit until he has seen one working. I don't suppose the one you look after is a working dog per chance..? I think there are a couple of MN toller owners/carers?

OP, how important is the gun dog side? You'll never get a collie retrieving properly but could probably get them beating...

What about a lab staffie cross if you want something a bit smaller?

Any puppy or young dog will be fine with cats with the right training from the start

The only vizlas (not vodkas, autocorrect!) are working dogs and out in all weathers. They just have no off switch and are a bit too in-yer-face for me. It would drive me a bit mad after a while..!

GinIsIn · 15/11/2016 20:06

A border collie would fit the bill for all those, but you couldn't guarantee you'd get one able to drive up the motorway... Grin

GazingAtStars · 15/11/2016 20:07

I don't know any personally so can't really recommend them but I like the look of kooikerhondje. They are tolling dogs and are apparently very intelligent, easy to train, lots of energy and wary of strangers so could be a watchdog.

MissWillaCather · 15/11/2016 20:08

Irish Setter-- lovely friendly dogs.

Cockers/working cockers can be a bit crazy imo

Hoppinggreen · 15/11/2016 20:09

spare he doesn't work but he does do agility. He's really clever.

Hoppinggreen · 15/11/2016 20:10

Oh yes, and Tollers were originally bred for duck hunting so I'm sure they are good workers.

GinIsIn · 15/11/2016 20:10

I don't think a cocker would have the stamina to keep up with a patterdale, either, unfortunately.

Noitsnotteatimeyet · 15/11/2016 20:14

A Toller would be perfect for you Smile ours has excellent recall, adores our cats (sadly the feeling is not reciprocated but he lives in hope), is chilled at home but fizzy outside, is bright as a button so loves learning new stuff and is fab with children. We've done basic gundog training with him but mainly stick to obedience and agility (just for fun) but there are lots of owners who work their dogs. As I said on another thread today the only downside is you'd have to wait a few months at least...

Noitsnotteatimeyet · 15/11/2016 20:16

Our Toller woofs loudly when strangers come to the door but it's all for show - he's a bit of a wuss really ...

Isitjustmeorisiteveryoneelse · 15/11/2016 20:18

A friend of mine has a New Zealand sheep dog - Huntaway - as a farm dog. Very trainable and high energy but you would need to make sure socialising was done right early on. He's not too bothered about not herding as long as he's got a job to do (following the tractor counts as a job as far as he's concerned!). Need a firm trainer though or else they'll go off piste (not aggressive but just won't listen!). He keeps up with his farm job way better than their Lab or Collie.

GinAndOnIt · 15/11/2016 20:19

The gundog thing is purely an added bonus - not a necessity at all. GinDog is not a gundog at all Grin

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GinAndOnIt · 15/11/2016 20:20

No that's exactly what we need. Just a bit of noise works wonders.

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TCmytreasure · 15/11/2016 20:23

Irish setters are fantastic dogs. Would definitely recommend.

Empress13 · 15/11/2016 20:48

I have a Ridgeback and he's lovely. Fantastic off lead and extremely intelligent. Was toilet trained in a week only ever had one thing chewed up. Can run for miles but also loves his sleep😃 Brilliant with other dogs due to him going to socialisation classes. Don't rule them out !

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