Eek! We've made the decision to breed

[BrightlyColouredFish]

I'm excited and scared in equal measure.

[BrightlyColouredFish]

There are so many things wrong with some of the responses on this thread that I dont know where to start

So, lets start with financial gain shall we? BusyPA, youve either bred irresponsibly before or know someone who has or you are talking out of your arse. You (and others) clearly have absolutely no idea how much it costs to breed and look after a bitch appropriately.

Yes, I own Springers. They are a working breed, regardless of whether they are worked or not. If you dont understand that, perhaps this thread isnt for you. Im happy to talk to people about what my dogs do but Im not about to sit back and have my arse kicked by people who have no idea what they are talking about.

70isalimitnotatarget  you say you dont have dogs. You even say you dont like them. I have to question then - why are you in this part of the forum? Have I pissed you off somewhere else and youve stalked me? Suggesting that me working with my dogs breeder to get the right mate is questionable is, frankly, stupid.

Passafist  I dont know where to start with you. Werent you banned? Or was that YoureBeingASillyBilly?

Cancer Dogs  they are only interested in Labs and Springers. Fact.

Someone else said I was basically a bit silly posting here for advice. I wasnt actually asking for advice at any point.

I cant be bothered to wade through this rest of the ignorant crap posted on here. I know we have a crisis in this country with regards to dog welfare. Its shit. But the answer isnt to simply wail dont breed!!! The answer is to stop people IRRESPONSIBLY breeding.

What I see in this section of the forum is people posting about how to deal with their delinquent dogs, behavioural issues, aggressive issues etc etc. Most of this is plainly and simply down to bad breeding. But those people dont seem to get a pasting. No, that appears to be exclusively reserved for those of us who take this seriously.

On a final note, those who have posted on this thread claiming to work at dog shelters  please let me know where. Maybe is makes you feel all squee, but I think your employers ought to know quite how inadequate your knowledge is.

[BrightlyColouredFish]

Sorry, don't know why there are all those weird signs in my post!

[LtEveDallas]

Some stupid bastard on camp has just bred his Springer Spaniel and produced a litter of 9 pups - none of which will be going to working dog homes. An acquaintance of mine was going to have one, so I asked her to accompany me to the Rescue I volunteer at before she did.

On Thu night I took her to the rescue. Showed her, amongst other dogs, the 4 Springer Spaniels sitting there in cages desperate for a walk. 3 of them are only a year old, the other is about 5 and she was dumped when her usefulness as breeding stock came to an end.

I then showed her the 22 other dogs that needed homes and showed her the 3 that had been there so long that the rescue owner now had them living in her own home.

There is no need for breeding, especially not of dogs whose breed are sitting in rescues waitin to die.

OP is a fool, and a greedy fool at that.

[Catsmamma]

trot on love, why post at all, if all you wanted was "sqeeeeeeeee, aren't you clever" replies??

[LtEveDallas]

Every dog bred by a greedy selfish back yard breeder condemns another dog to die

[Owllady]

Oi tolduso, you know me! or my mother.....
who are you?

[Owllady]

Sorry I missed the post that I was ignorant
Sniff

[YoureBeingASillyBilly]

I havent been banned you have me confused with someone else.

OP seems very short tempered. You know you need patience to raise pups right?

Another poster here wondering why you posted.

[Lonecatwithkitten]

It is terribly hard as so many of us deal with either the abandoned products of ill thought out breeding or pick up the pieces often never to be paid when the whelping goes wrong.
I think that breeding from any bitch requires considerable thought and then thorough testing at a minimum to the kennel club recommended schemes, but where possible over and above these levels. I always advise anyone who comes to me to discuss possible breeding to consider that whilst it is very rare they have to be prepared that the very worst case scenario is dead bitch, dead puppies and a bill of over a thousand pounds. I will do everything in my power to avoid that, but it can happen.

[LtEveDallas]

Unless OP is giving the pups away, then she is doing it for gain. She is using her bitches reproductive organs for monetary gain. There is no other reason to breed - springer spaniels are not on the danger list for breeds that are dying out, there are breed specific rescues providing working dogs (my friend has 5 Springers and 2 Cockers , all work and ALL were rescued from ESSR/CAESSR).

She's in it for the cash. She's a Backyard Breeder. She should be ashamed of herself.

[MrsMaturin]

Oh just listen to yourselves! You aren't interested in anybody who doesn't abide by The Doghouse standard line are you?

[PassAFist]

Why would I be banned?

There is nothing you can say that will ever make me think that breeding your dog is a responsible action. Nothing. It is crass, selfish, irresponsible and will only add to the problems that shelters and rescues face everyday.

What happens when one of your puppies doesn't turn out to be as fantastic as you expect it to be? Several people have asked that and so far you have not responded.

But, you have already made up your mind that you are doing it so why post here?

Have you visited a shelter or rescue? Offered to foster a rescue dog so that it can find a home where it's wanted? Do you share information about dogs in shelters so that they can be rehomed? Volunteer your time or money to help dogs THAT ARE ALREADY HERE to find homes? Or do you think, fuck it, those dogs can be killed because my dogs will be better?

[YoureBeingASillyBilly]

"Backyard breeding should be abolished. However, there is a middle ground of breeding and it can be done responsibly. I might disagree that it should be done, with so many unwanted dogs waiting for homes, but that isn't OP's fault."

The dogs that exist in rescue now? No, not OP's fault. If she breeds her dog? Then yes, very likely that in a few years dogs in rescue could be traced directly back to OP. if OP is lucky and only gets a few pups then there is a better chance of her getting permanent homes for them all but there is still the chance that those dogs will be moved on and/or bred again (and again and again) and OP wont even know the effect of her actions. Unless she sells with a no breeding clause, which i doubt as she's insistent these dogs need to be bred.

[Owllady]

I have tried listening to myself but it's quite distressing as I have a very whiney voice
:(

[PassAFist]

I honestly don't understand how anyone that calls themselves a dog lover could think that intentionally breeding more dogs is ever a good idea.

[tabulahrasa]

Responsible breeders very carefully vet potential owners, microchip puppies with their own details, keep in touch with owners and sell puppies with a contract stating that they must be returned to the breeder if they're being rehomed.

So in a worst case scenario if they lose contact with the owner, the owner ignores the contract and they end up in a shelter, the contact details on the microchip are the original breeder's and they can take back that puppy at that point.

So while you can think that nobody should be breeding more dogs while rescues are full of them, puppies from decent breeders are very very unlikely to end up there.

[PassAFist]

The way I see it is, there is a finite number of responsible owners around. Not everyone is going to be a responsible owner. The goal of rescue is to find those responsible owners and match them up with dogs that need homes.

If some of those responsible owners have bought a "breeder" dog, that reduces the number of responsible owners available for rescue dogs.

[Owllady]

I have had an unclaimed stray from a rescue
A working dog that was going to be shot and was no good to breed from
Another rescued pound collie

We are a one/two dog family at a time

I want another but I am not allowed :(