Eek! We've made the decision to breed

[BrightlyColouredFish]

I'm excited and scared in equal measure.

I encourage people a lot to get a rescue dog, tell them you can get puppies, specific breeds, that getting a rescue dog that suits you is much easier than picking a specific breed and hoping it has the personality traits you want...

But for various reasons not everyone wants one - the next best thing is a breeder who's doing everything right and trying not to add to the rescue population.

It doesn't matter how much the OP makes from pimping out her dog, I don't care if she only makes a tenner. She will still make money from putting her dog at great risk to bring more puppies into a country that is overrun with dogs and killing them at a rate of 32 deaths per day.

Even if there are 10 people wanting springers for working and those dogs cant be found in rescue, there are plenty of people already breeding springers responsibly for that purpose. People who have been doing it for years with proven results. What on earth is going to be so special about OP's pups that there is no other dog already producing exactly what she intends to produce? I dont get the need for this. This isnt a void that needs filled. The people who will buy OP's pups could just as easily buy dogs that already exist or will soon exist from dogs that have proven themselves to produce good stock.

It's a lot of unnecessary risk, and for what?

"OP will not pocket a tidy sum from breeding her Springer, far from it and she never claimed that as her motivation."

It may not be her motivation- but yes she will. Breeding puppies is expensive- but pedigree pups are extortionate!

Owllady - I think you are most probably younger ilovemydog ? All the working collies and jrt here on farms are kept chained in sheds/kennels. Some gundogs are too (I live pretty rural)

We are hoping to breed this outdated concept of leaving dogs chained up in kennels out with the older generation. I myself am nearly 40 but thanks anyway. Funnily enough I also know a lot of working dogs and no they don't all live 'chained up' in kennels outside. Obviously some do live in kennels, where there are quite a number of dogs which would take up a lot of room inside, but a lot of them live indoors. If every working dog I knew lived chained up for most of its life then I think I would probably be against the concept by now.

I think only licenced people should be allowed to breed dogs.

Ilovemydog, that's the age I guessed you at. Young!

Yes, licenses costing a huge amount of money and only a limited number available.

And massive fines if caught breeding without a license.

If the op is doing the relevant health tests for breeding her springer, then she will be doing the following
BVA/KC/ISDS Eye Scheme - including gonioscopy
DNA test - Fuco.
DNA test - PRA (cord1)

She will probably also hip score and do the test for PKU

This will cost :
Current eye testing prices are around £45.
Fuco £40
PRA £40
Hip scoring - £57 (without vets fees and sedation)
PKU £40-60

Thats £250 before stud fee, progesterone testing, vet checks during pregnancy, feeding the puppies a good quality food, getting any veterinary care needed etc, plus no guarentee of any puppies let alone 9..
well bred dogs rarely make a profit because making a profit is the least important thing ..

If everyone spayed and neutered their dogs, how long honestly until dogs become extinct? How long until we LOSE breeds in favour of generic mutts because "breeding is soooooooooooooooooo bad"

I work with dogs, its desperately sad so many end up in rescue, but in all honesty the majority of these ARE badly bred dogs. A good breeder will take their dogs back at any age (IF a rescue lets them.. it is pathetic how many rescues won't work with a breeder who wants their dog back, cause you know ALL breeders are bad )

May I ask, Satans, what would you consider a good motive to breed a dog? There are already breed-specific rescues full of dogs and plenty of breeders around producing more...

There are PLENTY of licensed breeders. They tend to be "puppy farms" or commercial breeders funnily enough, NOT people who have good motives. But hey, they are licensed so its fine ..

Well something needs to be done. My neighbour breeds her staff dogs constantly. How many staffs are in pounds?

Something needs to be done about dogs and cats. As much as I like both if these animals I am having huge problems with both.

Dog shit is horrendous where I live and the amount of cats here are a joke. I live in a street if 17 houses and 15 of these have 1 cat or more. My other neighbour breeds her cats willy nilly then puts adverts in the shops £15 per kitten.

It's irresponsible to breed, we do not need any more puppies or kittens.

But thats just ANOTHER example of a bad breeder. We don't suggest everyone doesn't have kids because of bad parents so why do we want no-one to breed animals because some are doing it badly?

License yes, but only if the criteria for getting one are massively tightened and the behaviours enforced regularly/ consequences imposed.

spaniel or lab? We breed collies and spaniels and the best tip I could give you is get a pelvic exam on the bitch if its her first litter. Also look at her size compare to sire size, don't put a huge sire with a relatively petit dam. Caesers are expensive but thankfully rare in working lines and tend to be more common in odd shaped breeds like bulldogs and pugs (no offence meant to owners but theyre just not my thing) with big heads and small pelvises. Your insurance - if you have any wont cover a caeser either its a risk you take if you want to breed. Good luck

Good luck to you op. With a pedigree dog from a breeder who had done all the checks, you have some idea of what you're getting. Rescue dogs are an unknown quantity but a puppy from proven bloodlines is likely to be able to do the job you want it to do. If I ever get a dog because of allergies I would have to get a dog that doesn't shed. To be sure of that id have to go to a specific breed. People breeding mongrels is what should be avoided, as well as the trend for £800 labradoodles. Not responsibly bred puppies with homes lined up from a conscientious breeder.

Brightly I don't have dogs that is true but me not owning and not being overly fond of them doesn't prevent me writing on a PUBLIC FORUM

No, I'm not stalking you fucking catch yourself on, you have a very high opinion of yourself

As a long term vegetarian - oh yes here we go, the Lentil Weaver is out- I have far more respect for animals than many other people. But that's my choice.

But hey. You go off and breed your dog. Get your bloodline puppy. Pat yourself on the head girl.

Then hope that the people you have lined up really DO want your dogs. Will these be the ones that don't QUITE make the grade? You won't get a 100% litter of A1 puppies after all.
Or maybe you'll end up with the entire litter.

And I for one don't think you're in it for financial gain. Because when you add up all the expenses you'll be facing, including the possibility of putting your animal through surgery, then looking after your dogs, you'll be lucky to scrape even.

Toodle Pip.
I'll be back on here whenever I like. You don't own the site.

Mongrels are luffley :)

PatrickStar, where do you live with so much breeding going on?

Labradoodle
Cockapoo
Toodledo
Sprollie
Jackapoo
Didapoo

All mongrels imo.

"PatrickStar, where do you live with so much breeding going on?"

I dont know about patrick but i am in NI and we have a huge problem with BYBing.