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Asked for my dog to be stud dog

108 replies

cedar12 · 03/11/2011 10:08

Met a lady yesterday she really wants her dog to have one lot of puppies. She asked if my dog would be a stud. They are both Westies. We have planned to meet up in the park next week and let them get on with it! Not sure what usually happens about payment etc. Do we wait until her dog is pregnant then get paid or wait until the puppies are born? also how much is the norm? Also it ok to just meet in the park! Not sure what is the done thing.Thanks

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Rhinestone · 03/11/2011 15:22

Dooinmecleanin - I have not been aggressive. I've said I was fucking staggered that the OP needed to ask about this - I was. I said she should be embarrassed / ashamed about her lack of knowledge. I still think that. If she'd asked the question BEFORE getting a dog, I wouldn't have said that.

But she already has the dog and her question was not WHETHER to do it, but HOW. She also asked in her OP when she could expect to be paid.

I refer you to your line in one of your previous posts -

"He also managed to drop in the fact that if anyone took my dog I know the right kinds of people to get her back no questions asked and they wouldn't go about getting her back softly iyswim."

So I won't accept any comments from you about me being aggressive thanks very much.

A few weeks ago I fostered a litter of puppies who had been bred irresponsibly. If foster care hadn't been found for them they would have been killed. I know they were bred irresponsibly because the 'owner' admitted they didn't want them and gave them up at 4 weeks, when they should still be with mum. All were pit bulls, a breed which is very hard to rehome due to their reputation.

I am currently fostering another pit puppy, the only survivor from a box of 3 puppies that was thrown from a moving car.

So I'm slightly more pissed off about irresponsible dog owners today than I already am, and not in the mood to take lectures about using positive training techniques on GROWN ADULTS.

Scuttlebutter · 03/11/2011 15:28

Slubber, you've raised some interesting points.

Firstly, and I hope MNHQ is listening, cos it would really help, I think it would be enormously helpful if we could have "stickies" as many, many forums do that give helpful advice on FAQ/other key subjects. Not just on breeders/rescues, but on things like best wellies for dog walking, good books, why aversive training doesn't work, how to choose a good behaviourist etc. All of these are questions that come up with great frequency on the Doghouse, and the fact they do shows that people are not able or willing to look back through older threads. When you are repeating information on why puppy farming is a bad thing for what feels like the 674th time, people can sometimes get a bit short.

Also, there's the old saying "google is your friend" and it's very difficult in this day and age to honestly believe that a person who had done even a modicum of research would think, for example that buying a puppy from a pet shop would be a good idea.

Secondly, and it's a bit like AIBU, occasionally people come on and simply don't like the answers that are given. I'm not referring to this thread, but I've seen more than one recently where someone has posted, been given advice and the OP has flounced dramatically because we didn't do a Netmums style group hug with sparkly tickers all round, and superfluous use of "hun".

Thirdly, maybe some of the critics who don'tlike the style of posting here should be contributing themselves more often. Any forum stands or falls on the quality and variety of input. I've learned an enormous amount for example from some of the reputable breeders who post on here regularly.

Every so often, certain regular posters get a good MN kicking, and quite often a whole heap of people queue up to join in who rarely appear in the Doghouse, yet are eager to stick the boot in. That is why, even though I agree broadly with the points you've made, I won't criticise other regular posters (there'll be plenty of others who will) but prefer to support the many very positive outcomes and threads. For every occasional bruised ego, we can also point to some really wonderful outcomes - in the last few days the Doghouse for instance swung into action to help a dog that was being rehomed that day and a positive outcome was achieved for everyone. Funnily enough, we didn't see any of the critics here then to give support.

Lastly, this is a subject where people are understandably concerned when posters are considering buying/giving away dogs as many of us see at first hand how this ends up. Where in Wales alone, 6000 dogs last year needed to be found homes and of these, 500 perfectly healthy dogs faced the needle in Council pounds. The stakes are high.

DogsBestFriend · 03/11/2011 15:32

"I am currently fostering another pit puppy, the only survivor from a box of 3 puppies that was thrown from a moving car."

Jesus. :(

Fighting back tears... although I see enough of that sort of abuse myself it always hurts.

And yes, it DOES justify your (and my) anger IMHO.

And yes, the OP WAS asking about HOW to go about backyard breeding, not IF she should do it, asking when she would be paid etc.

And finally, yes, the OP SHOULD have made herself aware of the backyard breeding and puppy farming situation BEFORE buying her pup but she very clearly didn't or she wouldn't be asking questions about taking part in backyard breeding now. I fear for her own dog's welfare and health as the chances are very high that he didn't come from a reputable breeder but from a backyard one too.

Sorry, Dooin, I agree with you on most things lovey and I KNOW that you do great stuff with respect to dog rescue and welfare but walk a mile in Rhinestone's shoes and you may understand why she probably wants to scream and spit atm. :)

DogsBestFriend · 03/11/2011 15:35

And another sorry, Dooin, because the use of "lovey" wasn't meant in a PA way but a friendly one, but re-reading I can see how it looks. :)

Rhinestone · 03/11/2011 15:39

Thanks DBF, I have to fight back tears every time I think of it.

Slubberdegullion · 03/11/2011 15:44

Scuttle, I whole heartedly agree with the idea for having stickies. I'm going to report your post (but in the nicest possible way Smile) in case mnhq haven't seen this thread. I know they have been asked for before but maybe a drip drip effect might be helpful.

I am well aware of the anti-dog sentiment on mn but I am also well aware of the reputation this topic has amongst genreral-Joe-mn public. It would be interesting to have a poll 'if you were thinking about getting a dog would you ask for advice in The Dogs House?' I'd put money (some money, maybe a fiver Grin) on it not being a great result. And that's a shame, because there is a great wealth of knowledge here, and as you say some real success stories.

I take on board your point about critics of the style of posting, posting themselves more often.

DooinMeCleanin · 03/11/2011 15:51

Oh I know she has good reason to feel that way. I am not disputing that at all. And the op should have done her homework before getting a dog. I agree with everything you said, Rhinestone.

I was just pointing out that this thread wasn't a particularly nasty one and only one poster had been harsh. I did not say that poster didn't have any reason to be harsh.

I myself can be harsh when it comes to dogs and silly owners so I am in no position to be shouting other posters down about, which is why I only mentioned your comments when others came on here with the usual "I'd post here" crap.

Wrt to my comment about Whippy, yes, I take no prisioners when it comes to my dogs welfare. If she was stolen from I'd contact who I needed to in order to get her back and I wouldn't be ashamed of it. I wouldn't be proud of it either, but I wouldn't be ashamed.

Scuttlebutter · 03/11/2011 15:58

Am now pondering on what would be a good "training treat" for MNHQ. Grin The equivalent of a piece of cheese/smelly sausage.

DogsBestFriend · 03/11/2011 16:01

:) Dooin.

Oh... and I'd do exactly the same as you if anyone took my dogs. I'd do whatever it took to get them back and if that meant making a phone call to certain people then so be it.

DogsBestFriend · 03/11/2011 16:02

ScuttleButter, more like wine and chocolate!

GrimmaTheNome · 03/11/2011 16:03

DBF - not really, its the same as we do with human kids too isn't it?
Ever since Aesop's fable of the north and south winds, adults too. Smile

GrimmaTheNome · 03/11/2011 16:04

(oh...walked dog for an hour and forgot to hit refresh so that was totally out of context Blush)

Slubberdegullion · 03/11/2011 16:07

DBF I just wanted to comment on the justifiable anger thing. I see this caveat used a lot to excuse poster flaming in this topic and I don't like it.

I have the utmost respect for those of you in this topic who work in rescue and see at the sharp end the harrowing consequences of bybs/puppy farmers. I cannot begin to imagine how hard it must be.

however

If those working in rescue claim their priority is helping dogs then that has to start with educating, advising and helping humans to make the right decisions wrt to buying/ breeding dogs. And that ain't going to happen if no one is reading or listening to your advice.

If you need to vent do it on your own thread, or in a pm with a mate. Because you never know, the person who hides The Dog Topic because they have been lurking on a flaming thread may just have been the next poster to lurk on a Why rescue dogs are great thread.

DogsBestFriend · 03/11/2011 16:08

I was saying "Eh?" and scratching me bonce there for a moment, Grimma! :o

I have to say that I use very different styles of "training" upon my dogs and upon my DC so for me that logic doesn't apply. :)

MumblingAndBloodyRagDoll · 03/11/2011 16:14

Slubber exactly.

Slubberdegullion · 03/11/2011 16:24

Here is the Don't Shoot The Dog that I mentioned earlier on in the thread. An absolutely fascinating read. At the start it's not even about training dogs, but how creatures learn, and that includes humans too.

Really helped me with understanding why clicker training was so effective. But I'm a bit of a nerd and like to understand how things work.

Slubberdegullion · 03/11/2011 16:25

don't shoot the dog book

Sheesh

Rhinestone · 03/11/2011 16:29

Dooin - I never said I'd blame you for being aggressive with someone who stole your dog! Wink And if I ever meet the person who threw those puppies out of a car, then 'aggressive' will not adequately describe my behaviour.

Just felt it was a bit off for you to call me out for being aggressive in my posts when you'd admitted you would be aggressive in the defence of your dog!

And I didn't appreciate Slubber's underhand point-scoring. I say again, the OP was NOT asking for advice on whether she SHOULD do this - she had already decided to do it. She was asking HOW, and when she would be PAID.

We have planned to meet up in the park next week and let them get on with it! Not sure what usually happens about payment etc. Do we wait until her dog is pregnant then get paid or wait until the puppies are born? also how much is the norm?

KatharineClifton · 03/11/2011 17:38

Cedar - Please get your dog neutered asap. It's been two months since the Summer holidays so not much of an excuse really.

GColdtimer · 03/11/2011 18:51

Thank you dbf, I will take a look at the links. I am going to have a tough job persuading dh to get a rescue as he has his heRt set on a boxer pup but it is the only way I will have a dog (always had rescues growing up - our last family one we found as a pup on a rubbish dump just after Christmas) so we could be at an impasse for a while.

Anyway, i digress. I can see why some of you are angry but agree with slubber on this one.

GrimmaTheNome · 03/11/2011 18:59

twofalls- there are quite a few boxer rescues, you know... I don't know how good any of them are (there is, or used to be, one near me which looked a bit haphazard TBH) - maybe that could solve your impasse?

Slubberdegullion · 03/11/2011 19:00

Rhinestone, the wording of the op, sure she was asking how to go about it, but within seven posts (only four of which were constructive) she mentioned that she was researching the issue.
Ten posts later cedar wrote this

Add message | Report | Message poster cedar12 Thu 03-Nov-11 12:53:29
Again, Sorry for asking. I alway thought better to ask. Now I am a lot better informed and will take the advise given. But I dont think I was wrong to ask. Obviously I was very ill informed on the subject, but people only learn by asking questions.

So hardly an intransigent position. Tbh I think that's a pretty quick turn around given a lot of the posts I read on mn. And you still feel your posts were justified?

You may see my questions were underhand point scoring. I've never had a discussion with you on mn as far as I know so no personal axe to grind. Unnecessary, aggressive bombastic posting does nothing to promote people using this topic or (the hopefully resultant) improvements in dog welfare imo.

misdee · 03/11/2011 19:02

MET A GORGEOUS RESCUE BOXER AT the vets the other day. he had been attacked again whilst walking, and wasnt a happy boy as was hobbling along, but he was interested in ralph and being friendly from across the room.

GColdtimer · 03/11/2011 19:04

Thanks grimma, I will look into it. That could well be a good compromise.

GColdtimer · 03/11/2011 19:07

Misdee, I think my dh would have just swept him away. He absolutely loves them - they have always had them in the family and his parents lost their 13 year old last year. They are lovely dogs, if a little barmy.