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Asked for my dog to be stud dog

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cedar12 · 03/11/2011 10:08

Met a lady yesterday she really wants her dog to have one lot of puppies. She asked if my dog would be a stud. They are both Westies. We have planned to meet up in the park next week and let them get on with it! Not sure what usually happens about payment etc. Do we wait until her dog is pregnant then get paid or wait until the puppies are born? also how much is the norm? Also it ok to just meet in the park! Not sure what is the done thing.Thanks

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Slubberdegullion · 03/11/2011 14:19

OK Rhinestone. So positive training methods then. So why would you chose a positive training approach over say, use of adversives?

GrimmaTheNome · 03/11/2011 14:20

Slubber

DogsBestFriend · 03/11/2011 14:22

My boys have "Microchipped and Neutered" tags too, bemybebe.

Cedar, I, like Rhinestone, am concerned that you bought a puppy... well, that you bought a puppy full stop, actually... and that you bought him without knowing anything about the risks of backyard breeding, leading me to be concerned about the provenance of your own dog.

I'm all the more concerned because you claim to have done your research on owning a dog - surely you should have researched the right way to obtain one and what not to do and therefore would be aware that this bloody woman is SO wrong and irresponsible without needing to ask us?

And surely, if you had done your research properly and were acting responsibly, your dog would be neutered by now.

I note that the question "Why is your dog not neutered" has been put to you more than once and yet you have ignored it.

Rhinestone · 03/11/2011 14:24

V funny slubber, I get the point you're making. You win too, you're awfully clever. The word is 'aversives' btw.

I will go now.

DogsBestFriend · 03/11/2011 14:26

Rhinestone - sorry, I see what you mean (I think!! :o ).

Slubber - the current AIBU thread has had all the dog haters non doggy reaching for the smelling salts and Social Services phone number at the mere whiff of a suggestion that one might compare a dog to a human. You can't have it both ways!

I personally feel that sarcasm is lost on my dogs. :o

Goldenbrown1981 · 03/11/2011 14:26

I kinds sypathise with the op here (Prepares flameproof suit)

When I got my dog (who is my first) I quite fancied breeding. I'd done lots of research into different breeds of dog before we got her but NONE about breeding in general. So I went onto a popular dog forum and put a post basically saying I'm thinking about breeding, where can I find out more. And sweet lord above how I got jumped on. At no point did I say 'I'm going to breed' I just wanted more information, like everything in my life I like to do my research and then I generally talk myself out of things. I found it worse on that forum as 80% of the nasty responses were from breeders, which I just don't get at all, I can understand the jumping on more from people who work in rescue.

The way my brain works, having people be SO rude to me about it made me want to do it more, to prove that i could do it as well as them if not better! I'd show them. So I did the research and saw some of the reasons I shouldn't and looked at all of the dogs in rescue and got my girlie spayed.

I know it's an emotive subject, but the OP was asking for advise, you can politely say "this is not a good idea, and this is why" (As some people have) and it will have MORE power than being rude and offensive. The other woman is the one to blame really, she's not even bothering to do the research.

I hope that makes sense

Slubberdegullion · 03/11/2011 14:29

at spelling. Always my downfall.

I'm not trying to be awfully clever. I'm trying to understand why you would use positive training methods with your dogs but not be able to extend the same understanding of 'how things learn most effectively' to humans?

DogsBestFriend · 03/11/2011 14:31

It's called "Species difference", Slubber.

HTH

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cedar12 · 03/11/2011 14:32

My dog was booked into be neutred last week of the summer holidays but a friend offered us a free weekin her cottage in wales so we cancelled it. I havent got around to booking him back in. It was always my plan to get him neutred which I will do now.

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DooinMeCleanin · 03/11/2011 14:33

Bemybebe, she has three tags. She jingles when she walks . One is the one we bought her with our address and phone number on but no name. I don't want people using her name to lure her away. One says "Scan me I'm chipped" with our vets details on the back and one says "Speyed and chipped" with the vets details on the back, even though she is not yet speyed as she is too young but will done as soon as is possible.

The vets gave me the last two. the first when she microchipped and the second when I begged him for one because of how much interest the local yobs were taking in her.

The same people asked DH about it not long after. He remained calmer than me and told them she was my dog and explained that I very interested in animal welfare, particularly that of dogs and there is no way in hell I would consider breeding from her when there are still dogs dying rescue all around the country. He also managed to drop in the fact that if anyone took my dog I know the right kinds of people to get her back no questions asked and they wouldn't go about getting her back softly iyswim. They've not asked since but I do worry about her being stolen.

Slubberdegullion · 03/11/2011 14:36

DBF, you most certainly can have it both ways when it comes to how things learn most effectively.

Have you read 'Don't shoot the Dog' by Karen Pryor? Absolutely fascinating book. I heartily recommend it for all pet owners and parents. The basic concepts apply to dogs and humans. Positive training is not only fun to do for both the trainer and the trainee it's also the most effective.

Those in The Dogs House who put themselves forward as doggy experts should know this? Yes? So why don't we apply the same methods here?

GColdtimer · 03/11/2011 14:44

Blimey, when we get a dog when the dd's are old enough remind me not to come here for advice. I might ask the wrong question and show my ignorance.

Thus us nearly as aggressive as aibu

bemybebe · 03/11/2011 14:45

very sensible, guys. i also have vet name/tel and "microchipped"

one cannot be too careful

Slubberdegullion · 03/11/2011 14:49

I'm sorry to hear that twofalls. There is often good advice to be had in this topic.

bemybebe · 03/11/2011 14:50

Thus us nearly as aggressive as aibu
twofalls if you go into ANY respectable dog forum, there will be a lot of aggressive opposition to back yard breeders. serious posters are not having a kid-glove approach because this practice brings a lot of suffering to this world.

unlike some, i do not think it is mostly just ignorance (op is an exception of course), i think a lot of it is pure greed

GColdtimer · 03/11/2011 14:55

But the op isn't a back yard breeder. She was ignorant about it yes but some posters enlightened her in a reasonable manner. Others just decided to put the boot in. And she will probably not come back for fear of asking the wrong question

Slubber I am sure there is loads of good advice here It just gets buried a bit under the vitriol.

Like your post about positive training by the way

DooinMeCleanin · 03/11/2011 14:57

I'm open to being trained postivley. I work best for wine, just so you know

I don't think this thread has been that bad considering the topic and the op seems to be taking it in her stride.

Ephiny · 03/11/2011 14:59

I never thought to put 'neutered' on my dog's tag (he does have the microchipped one), I would have thought people would just have a look at his, er, bits if they wanted to know, rather than at his collar! I can see the sense of it for a bitch though.

Slubberdegullion · 03/11/2011 15:00

"serious posters are not having a kid-glove approach because this practice brings a lot of suffering to this world"

But see bemybebe it's this sort of reasoning and lack of joined up thinking that totally baffles me in the Dogs House. How on earth are folk meant to find out about the benefits of getting a rescue dog, or how to find an excellent breeder, or how and why you should avoid bybs if they have hidden the topic? If they have actively decided NEVER to come and ask a question on here for fear of being flamed?

We don't train our dogs not to jump up by smacking them on the nose with a rolled up newspaper, or kneeing them in the chest so WHY ON EARTH do we do the online equivalent on here?

Slubberdegullion · 03/11/2011 15:02

Dooin. I would say that in the space of 70 posts there have been two posters who have said they will either hide or never post in this topic it is pretty bad going tbh.

Ephiny · 03/11/2011 15:02

I do think some of the comments to OP have been a little harsh, she was just asking a question about how these things work, she hasn't bred her dog and isn't planning to. Yes there are some cases where harsh words are needed, but I'm not convinced this was one of them!

stripeybumpinthenight · 03/11/2011 15:04

And I thought Feminism had the most dogmatic and condescending posters on MN

daisydotandgertie · 03/11/2011 15:07

Cedar I'm really glad you asked and hope that the passionate posts here won't overwhelm.

The lady who's approached you is the most ignorant of all.

She clearly has little regard for the welfare of her bitch or the puppies which will in due course appear. She's obviously happy to mate her dog with a random dog (though I'm sure he's gorgeous) she'd picked up in the park with little thought or care about the possible consequences.

Asking for good advice and acting on it is the most responsible thing any dog owner could do. Well done. Even though there are some scary passionate posts on here.

When I asked if it was a joke, it was because I've read a few threads about casual matings over the past few weeks and thought the worst. That'll teach me.

DooinMeCleanin · 03/11/2011 15:09

Yes I can see your point but only one poster has been aggressive and she has been shouted down by other posters as far as I can see.

Do you not think that some posters just click on the dog threads to see if they're kicking and then jump on the band wagon with all 'I'd never post here' comments?

I totally get that some threads on here get a bit over heated, probably more than they ought to be, but in general mundane or innocent questions are met with helpful and patient replies.

DogsBestFriend · 03/11/2011 15:10

Slubber, I wouldn't know. I have never said I'm an expert. :)

But back to the OP. I am genuinely troubled that you say that you researched plenty before buying your dog, Cedar, but that you clearly did not do any research into where to obtain a puppy from... and where and how not to.

Twofalls all the advice on what to watch out for, what a bad breeder is and why the OP should not become one was given way back at the start of the thread, by wildfig, and followed up by others, including my own post at 11.23 where I linked to excellent information, being too lazy to find one of my previous posts on this subject and c&p what I have said to others so often.

It would help ANYONE seeking to buy a puppy or unsure of what to do to read the few paragraphs in that link... and then to watch the 3 or 4 minute long video in the other link on my post.

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