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Why does the doghouse have to be so critical and judgemental?

148 replies

minimu1 · 08/06/2011 13:53

My day is generally spent with dog ignorant people educating them on what is best for their dog.

When people post a thread on here showing their ignorance of dog issues they get slated, told they are lying and that the OP who is usually on the ground with the dog does not know what they are talking about. Moral and cruelty issues are banded about as if the OP has no idea that rehoming or PTS a dog is a horrendous situation - that is why they are asking for help after all.

I have been forceful on here (probably when I am in a bad mood and have regretted it) however it is necessary at times to make people see the importance of an issue but to personally slate the poster is not necessary.

I come on here as I can "do" dogs - I am able to help with training and behaviour so when people are struggling it is no issues to just pop on some advice.

Does the general tone of The doghouse have to be so unwelcoming and critical?

OP posts:
Kingsroadie · 08/06/2011 20:40

BTW I haven't had any negative comments re me getting a puppy instead of a rescue dog and I think the rescuers are totally amazing. I just know there are some strong views and it has made be a bit more cautious about mentioning it. (Not that it really matters as he is here now! Smile)

chickchickchicken · 08/06/2011 20:41

fifi - i read it as the dog that ended up in the pound was probably dead, not the dog mentioned in the thread. Smile

DooinMeCleanin · 08/06/2011 20:42

Because the pound were unwilling to let anyone take him out. Dogs only have 7 days in a pound and then they are pts, healthy or not. This particular pound does give them longer, but will kill the dogs if they are not rehomed quick enough. I hope he made it into rescue where he would be rehabilitated, but I doubt it.

I don't judge people for getting puppies, but I do point out that it's not the only choice. Rescue dogs usually are the best option, for many reasons. And people do need to be taught that a rescue dog does not = bad or unknown.

I have never seen anyone slated for wanting a puppy either (you can also get puppies from rescue). I have seen people being slated for buying from BBY and puppy farms, with good reason. But no-one, imo, has been slated for buying a puppy from a responsible breeder after researching and thinking hard about it.

catinthehat2 · 08/06/2011 20:49

"It is not a good idea to have a lively young pup with an elderly dog who needs extra care and plenty of quiet, relaxtion time."

BUt as others have also said, in the real world, pups go to live with elderly dogs all the time.

So there you go:

Someone contravenes an unspoken piece of dogma in The DogHouse - eg no pups with old dogs - a Doghouse regular goes loopy, others join in and it's won't someone think of the cheeeeeldren dogs all over again. And the poor OP hasn't a clue what she's said wrong. And the lurkers go 'phew blimey, not touching that with a very long bargepole'

Slubberdegullion · 08/06/2011 20:53

Dooin, I have been accused of being a dog killer (albeit an inadvertent one so that's OK) for buying a puppy from a breeder on mn (on AIBU but by a prolific doghouse poster). I bought my puppy froma responsibe breeder imo. The most insulting thing that has ever been thrown at me in all the time I have been on here.

Also of behaving in an unethical manner (by some random poster Grin)

I'm pretty sure I sure someone, not me though, being called an idiot for buying a puppy from a breeder.

DooinMeCleanin · 08/06/2011 20:54

But pointing out thatr something is not a good idea is not nasty or judgemental. Nor is it an unspoken rule only known to 'experts'. No responsible breeder would sell a puppy to someone with an elderly or frail dog already in the home, so the only pups that end up in homes like this are from puppy farms or BYB.

Slubberdegullion · 08/06/2011 20:54

Pretty sure I saw

K9999 · 08/06/2011 20:55

What I'm about to say might not make sense, if it doesn't I apologise in a 'Dammit, I know what I mean!' sort of way. There are different types of need for info on here from what I see, behaviour, training, puppy-buying, rescue, food, to name a few. The trainers on here seem to be deferred to IYSWIM by the rescue folk wrt behaviour although thye too will advise how they see it of course, all types of interested party will offer advice on food and the rescue lot advise on that. All draw on their own speciality. The more outspoken folk don't tend to have much involvement on puppy stuff unless about food or crates and stuff like that, and when they do it's factual and helpful as far as I can see . There's room for all. And, if the puppy-question people and the training-question people are going about their business as they seem to me to be, with little pro rescue input at all, stroppy or otherwise, I can't see that they have anything to be 'scared' of. I'm surprised that all you capable women on here are the type to be 'scared' tbh. (That wasn't meant rudely and I hope that it isn't taken as if it is, it's meant as a daft sort of compliment).

In the main, if you come on here and say, eg, that you want help in what to feed puppydog or that you don't know what to do because he's chewing the carpet the people you think are a problem aren't going to say you're a bitch and should get lost they're either going to say try X or Y or they're going to not comment at all because there are loads of people already advising. There's nothing to be scared of in coming on here and asking what you feel is a daft question (or a good one!).

I'm a member of another forum where the same was once said as has been said here. It was pointed out in response that sometimes the people with the strong views (in that forums case rescue owners etc) don't answer 'the fluffier threads', by which they mean easier ones about crates or food, because 1, loads of others are doing that already and 2, that they tend to even bore themselves repeating the same old advice! Added to that they are generally occupied in answering rescue or legal type stuff that the average dog owner member doesn't know and as a result they are conspicuous on the controversial threads and far less so on the general help topics.

Looking att the Doghouse I could spend all day answering posts about rescue, the law on the DDA, advising on rehoming, explaining how strays are dealt with in the 'system' without ever touching a thread about food or crates or sharing a dog-related joke. That way, how would anyone be able to see that I can also do sense of humour or that I'm capable of congratulating someone for their achivements in agility? It doesn't mean I can't or that I feel hostile to the happy agility winners or those with feeding issues, it just means that I stick to what I can offer and the bulk of members can't. Unfortunately that also means that the sad stories I and others see which have made us the people we are and the posts on here which need tough talking (and I have seen those where I have thought that this has been justified) make some posters seem as if all they can do is be stroppy.

Oh lordy, lordy, I have gone on. Blush Sorry.

Finally (deep breath) if you want sense of humour, I have to tell you that I've just told my daughter, on the phone to a male friend, that he's a lovely young man. His response was, 'Tell your mum so is she'! Confused

clam · 08/06/2011 21:00

And I was told by someone, can't remember who, that there was no such thing as a reputable breeder! Hmm Think the argument went that there are so many dogs out there looking for homes that it is irresponsible to breed puppies - at all.

clam · 08/06/2011 21:03

k999 dammit I know what you mean too! Grin

chickchickchicken · 08/06/2011 21:03

"pups go to live with elderly dogs all the time."

really? not in my experience they dont

K9999 · 08/06/2011 21:05

WRT placing a puppy in a home with a dying, elderly dog, all I can say is that no rescue, be that a self-run one or one of the well known ones like the Dogs Trust, would do so which iss why I imagine that people on here advise against it. They don't make these decisions lightly or for the fun of it, they want to rehome dogs but they rehome responsibly and wouldn't consider rehoming a pup to a home with a poorly oldie kind to either dog, especially not the oldie. The same logic applies to these organisations insisting on homechecks and that they must have the dog back if the owner can't keep it. They don't go to that effort, extra work and extra expense for the fun of it but because they know what can happen to the dog and the owner if they don't. There is nothing wrong and in fact everything right in Dooinmecleaning advocating the policies which are tried and tested and demanded by any reliable rescue.

chickchickchicken · 08/06/2011 21:06

K9999 - i know what you mean too Grin

could it be that we all may agree Shock Grin

K9999 · 08/06/2011 21:06

Thanks clam, I was convinced that I was rabbiting goobledegook!

catinthehat2 · 08/06/2011 21:08

oh dear. So:

you're faaar too grand to take on the unimportant crap

you only make an appearance on the really Dramatic threads because you are indeed so important

and you need to tell us how wonderful; everyone thinks you are in real life

You have at some point along the way forgotten what it means to get the point across to real people - what you fondly think you are saying is not what people are hearing

chickchickchicken · 08/06/2011 21:08

btw i find most posters are very direct in lots of areas on MN

does netmums have a dog section Wink

chickchickchicken · 08/06/2011 21:12

i dont think anyone has said they are more important whether dog rescuers, behaviourist, the average dog owner Confused

we all have different experiences and different things to offer any forum

K9999 · 08/06/2011 21:18

"oh dear. So:

you're faaar too grand to take on the unimportant crap

you only make an appearance on the really Dramatic threads because you are indeed so important

and you need to tell us how wonderful; everyone thinks you are in real life"

No, you're taking offence where none was intended. I'm sorry that that's your impression of me, I don't think I've mentioned how others think of me in real life or on the internet and I don't consider myself important at all. I'm happy to talk crates and food but having less knowledge of that than other things and limited time to respond to every thread on here I leave those to the people with better knowledge and try to help, on here and other dog forums, using the knowledge that I do have. Sorry about that.

Fifis25StottieCakes · 08/06/2011 21:23

How do you know puppies dont go to live with older dogs all the time? Yes maybe from rescue they dont. Not everyone gets there dogs from rescue though

GrimmaTheNome · 08/06/2011 21:28

Tch, shouldn't let cats on this board Grin. I'm willing to take the word of K9s DDs BF that she's a lovely young man (thats what you said, you know!) and not overanalyse the rest.

K9999 · 08/06/2011 21:31

:o Grimma.

midori1999 · 08/06/2011 21:40

Sorry, I am very naughty and have only read the first page so far... but...

"I have been forceful on here (probably when I am in a bad mood and have regretted it)"

I spend most of my time in a bad mood, hence why I am probably often quite forceful and have little time when not in a bad mood to regret it... although occasionally I do, I admit.

"Positive training works so much better on people than the positive punishment that is dealt out here."

This made me laugh a bit, because obviously it's completely true, but it's so much easier with dogs than with people. Blush

I don't find the doghouse unfriendly, but my view could be clouded by the amount of time spend in AIBU.... I especially find it hard to accept the view that people who buy puppies are somehow persecuted, seeing as I don't feel unwelcome here and I breed puppies (albeit infrequently).

I'll reply properly later, I am yet to eat dinner and it's not great for my gestational diabetes. Blush

catinthehat2 · 08/06/2011 21:54

no no no

I'm not offended, I'm actually not that interested in you, or your continual self aggrandisement (that's a word that means 'bigging yourself up' btw Wink)

I'm pointing out how it's OK for you to say what you want ineptly, miscommunicate, and upset people without justification -

but if anyone else says something you don't like - because you have completely got hold of the wrong end of the stick - then it's open season for you to get pretty unpleasant

one rule for you Important Dog Person at the top of your imaginary pack
another rule for the rest of the world....

(Grimma - I think you're right about cats Wink)

I'm with the positive reinforcers all the way

ThunderboltKid · 08/06/2011 21:57

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AllTheYoungDoods · 08/06/2011 22:11

I do still enjoy the dog threads, although there does seem to have been a spate of 'I need to rehome my dog' and 'I hate dogs in parks/beaches/public' threads, which I assume are down to the summer weather and holidays, and make it a more depressing place.

The only reason I think the Doghouse can seem confrontational is because there are so many strong, opposing opinions in such a small 'zone'. It's like breast v bottle feeding debate condensed into a little microcosm! And if you're finding your way with a first dog, it can seem a bit overwhelming.

I've had fantastic and hugely appreciated advice and read really informative posts by lots of hugely experienced doggy types on here, but I've still felt guilty that I didn't get a dog from rescue as Val would advocate, that I didn't choose a puppy from exactly the type of breeder Midori would recommend, that I don't spend as much time with my dogs as Minimu advises, that I haven't achieved the same behaviour turnaround as Dooin.... On the days when your young puppy has hi-tailed it over the horizon/eaten your husbands' dinner, it's really hard not to beat yourself up about this. Yet I know I researched both breed and breeder carefully, and plenty of doggy professionals have complimented me on the amount of time and care and time I've invested in the dog, so I'm doing an ok job. I just don't think you very often read posts by other doggy owners saying 'I'm a bit crap at this but I love my dogs and we muddle through' in a way you do on some of the parenting threads.

And I know you can't ever be complacent, but maybe we need a kind of dog confessional where novices and experts alike can safely and non-judgementally confide the daft things we've mistakenly done with our dogs!

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