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Without Sin Mon - Thurs 9pm ITV NO SPOILERS

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Blondeshavemorefun · 11/05/2023 20:32

We ar being treated. 2 new dramas

but in the same day and time - sort it out bbc and itv !!!

Without Sin (ITVX) is a heavyweight thriller cut from the same cloth as Happy Valley (https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/happy-valley) and Save Me, so fans of deep-rooted trauma and grief rejoice, if that’s the sort of thing you do.

Either way, this Nottingham-based four-parter is a very strong entry to the genre, taut and so
lid and compelling, and it does not outstay its welcome.

The ever watchable Vicky McClure (https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/jan/15/vicky-mcclure-line-of-duty-started-with-nothing) stars as Stella, a cabby grieving for her teenage daughter Maisy, who was murdered several years earlier.

As you might expect, Stella’s life has been utterly transformed by the tragedy. She has split up with her husband, Paul (Sherwood’s Perry Fitzpatrick), who is in a new relationship and who has been able to at least offer the illusion of moving forward.

She has cut herself off from her social life, smokes too much weed, and gave up the office job she loved to spend long nights driving around the city dealing with drunken and difficult customers.

She is in stasis, unable to do much more than simply get through the hours.

Fellow This Is England alumnus Johnny Harris plays Charles Stone, a drug dealer who grew up on the same estate as Stella, who became the muscle for a local gang, and who is now in prison for Maisy’s murder.

Charles is hard to read and prone to violent outbursts. He requests to be part of a restorative justice programme, in which a mediator reaches out to Stella and Paul for a meeting, with the idea that Charles will atone for his sins and that somewher
e, somehow, Stella and Paul may get the answers they need to process what has happened to their family.

It does not play out like that. The initial meeting in prison is the spark for a thickly knotted conspiracy of sorts that slowly unravels into a dense mystery, in which nobody can be taken at their word.

It does an excellent job of keeping you guessing as to everyone’s motives and levels of guilt. There is a mess of half-truths to untangle, among family, friends, organised criminals, small-time crooks, lost kids and hopeless adults.

Everyone is hiding something, and it’s all just waiting to come out of the shadows.

The title points towards the idea that nobody is entirely innocent. When it comes to the drug trade, Without Sin makes its point about middle-class hypocrisy very well, without laying it on too thick.

It has a strong grasp of the politics of small working-class communities, in which no secret lasts for long, because someone always knows someone who’s been talking about it.

It also hints at complicated feelings around social mobility. Stella is from the estate, but she and Paul lived in a big, fancy house, and once drove a Range Rover.

Some of the characters have a foot in each world, and it isn’t always comfortable for them. These are small details, but they give it a richness beyond the traditional whodunnit-type structure that it hangs on.

When it comes to the mystery of Maisy, it twists and turns. In Nottingham (https://www.theguardian.com/uk/nottingham), Stella becomes obsessed with finding out the truth of what happened to her daughter, while in prison,

Charles is dealing with his psychological issues, as well as the politics of the criminal underworld and even the politics of his own cell.

Each of the four episodes finishes on a proper cliffhanger, and by the time it all comes out in the wash in the finale, there have been more than enough dead ends and red herrings to keep us hooked.

It just about avoids the occasional ITV drama curse of having a run of solid episodes then throwing it all away on an implausible, far-fetched ending.

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Blondeshavemorefun · 12/05/2023 10:56

MyEyesAreBleeding · 12/05/2023 02:02

Just started episode 3 on this. Enjoying it so far. I love a good shitty itv BBC drama.

Shush @MyEyesAreBleeding

havent seen 1 yet 😛

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butterpuffed · 12/05/2023 14:27

I saw the first two episodes after Christmas when I was with family . It was good but I never got to see the rest and have forgotten what happened in the ones I watched so I'll be watching again 😅

ellebelli · 12/05/2023 14:46

I'm usually miles behind which is why I never get to comment on the threads
(I read them up to where I'm at after everyone else has left 😭)
I've just finished redemption.
I have however already seen this one.
Quite enjoyed it.
Though Stella's bad wig and even badder hat is distracting!

MyEyesAreBleeding · 12/05/2023 16:42

Blondeshavemorefun · 12/05/2023 10:56

Shush @MyEyesAreBleeding

havent seen 1 yet 😛

I'm definitely not one fire giving spoilers. Am watching to see when people discuss! Watched this one plus most of "the confession" last night

Blondeshavemorefun · 12/05/2023 20:21

Thanks @MyEyesAreBleeding

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Blondeshavemorefun · 15/05/2023 10:17

This starts tonight but clashes with steeltown murders on bbc

Why do itv and bbc do this

Grrrr

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CoffeeWithCheese · 15/05/2023 12:05

Was watching the start of this and then drifted off it - but to be honest I was only watching as lots of it was filmed in the street behind our old house and we had all the road closed and catering vans and stuff going on which livened up the neighbourhood a bit!

Blondeshavemorefun · 15/05/2023 14:28

CoffeeWithCheese · 15/05/2023 12:05

Was watching the start of this and then drifted off it - but to be honest I was only watching as lots of it was filmed in the street behind our old house and we had all the road closed and catering vans and stuff going on which livened up the neighbourhood a bit!

Assume you've started it on ITVX

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LadyEloise1 · 15/05/2023 19:01

Thank you including me @Blondeshavemorefun.
Once again Virgin isn't showing it in Ireland so we'll have to wait a few months to see it 🙄
When they finally do so, I'll check back on this thread.
I'll watch Steeltown Murders instead on BBC1

Blondeshavemorefun · 15/05/2023 20:53

Oh no @LadyEloise1 hopefully you will get it soon

Tho I'm still waiting for smother 3 😂

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tiggergoesbounce · 15/05/2023 21:15

Oh, disappointed, we thought it was a new one but its just a repeat of the one in ITVX. Weve Already seen it, we thought it was a second series 🫣🙄

Blondeshavemorefun · 15/05/2023 21:15

Ok. Good so far. Not sure I could listen to the man who killed my daughter

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Ducatifan · 15/05/2023 21:15

I’m watching. I’ll watch each night as it’s on all week which is better than an episode once a week.

Blondeshavemorefun · 15/05/2023 21:16

Ducatifan · 15/05/2023 21:15

I’m watching. I’ll watch each night as it’s on all week which is better than an episode once a week.

Same @Ducatifan

If I watch each night I keep up

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SecretsIWouldNeverTell · 15/05/2023 21:17

Have watched all this already on ITVX. SUPERB! Enjoy. Smile

Blondeshavemorefun · 15/05/2023 21:19

Tho I can't get used to vickie having long hair

And naughty girl shagging her ez hubby

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Jellykat · 15/05/2023 21:22

I'm watching, because i'll watch anything with Vic McClure in!
Philip Glenister will have to wait for a bit

Blondeshavemorefun · 15/05/2023 21:23

Philip will be at 10pm @Jellykat

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Jellykat · 15/05/2023 21:30

I know Blondes, but i've got 'Malpractice' and 'Ten pound poms' on the go, and the last couple of Rain dogs to finish.. i'll start getting brain fried if i add Phil in there too! Grin

Blondeshavemorefun · 15/05/2023 21:58

Jellykat · 15/05/2023 21:30

I know Blondes, but i've got 'Malpractice' and 'Ten pound poms' on the go, and the last couple of Rain dogs to finish.. i'll start getting brain fried if i add Phil in there too! Grin

😂😂😂😂

We are being spoilt @Jellykat

I've watched malpractice this week

And poms

Adding Phil just makes more pleasure able 😂

Loving this and what a twist

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Blondeshavemorefun · 15/05/2023 22:10

Did no one else watch ?

So did he do it or not ?

If he didn't why did he confess and say he did

Or is he playing mine games

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Jellykat · 15/05/2023 22:27

He's definitely a shit, however i'm not sure he did it..

Blondeshavemorefun · 15/05/2023 22:30

Why say he did then

To cover for the ones who did and have taken other girl

What do they have on him to make him confess and do 3yrs so far in prison

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Greengreented · 15/05/2023 22:31

I watched ep1 tonight and liked it (agree it’s annoying to have something good on bbc at the same time, that will have to wait). I’ll stick with it this week - big fan of Vicky McClure here.

Clawdy · 15/05/2023 23:06

Was looking forward to this, but found it rather ordinary, a bit disappointing. Will watch next episode, though.

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