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Love you to death - channel 4

153 replies

autumnleavesonthefloor · 19/08/2026 21:28

Is anyone else watching?

I can’t say a lot because it’s very outing but I grew up with this family. So surreal seeing it all like this. They’re some of my earliest memories.

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purpleme12 · Yesterday 22:29

I guess the sister could stay with the dad then, that's why

purpleme12 · Yesterday 22:35

What were the conditions that Matthew actually had? (Or supposedly had)
I know it said he needed oxygen and couldn't walk but what was the reason why and the conditions that he was supposed to have?

purpleme12 · Yesterday 22:38

And what age was he taken into foster care? I can't tell from the programme

purpleme12 · Yesterday 22:57

He had 4 operations. Presumably unnecessary ones. Interested what they were for

purpleme12 · Yesterday 22:57

The fraud made her £200,000
Wow

whynotwhatknot · Today 00:07

she still sitting there denying she done anything wrong. it's all the doctors fault and she shouldn't have pled guilty. the woman is a complete narcissist and shouldn't be near any children. I'm not buying that she's got ptsd from her own childhood she's a compulsive liar

imperialqueen · Today 00:09

Member984815 thanks I will have a listen to that podcast.

alexdgr8 · Today 03:25

I'd be concerned for any elderly relatives her new husband may have ...
Hope he or they watched the documentary.

Doriangraysattic · Today 06:51

purpleme12 · Yesterday 22:57

He had 4 operations. Presumably unnecessary ones. Interested what they were for

I had 30+. All unnecessary! It's awful to think of

JumpLeadsForTwo · Today 07:26

Member984815 · Yesterday 18:01

I'm not an expert on fii, but there seems to be a reoccurring theme in the cases I've heard of where there is premature birth. There's a podcast called nobody should believe me and while I think the host is biased as her own sister has fii its a very informative listen

That’s a very good podcast, I think she is a little biased too, but is very child focused. The cases are fascinating. It also makes me glad I live in the UK - the US healthcare system is appalling and it’s frightening looking at what easily gets allowed if parents demand/ move across states etc.

purpleme12 · Today 07:57

Doriangraysattic · Today 06:51

I had 30+. All unnecessary! It's awful to think of

What were yours?

I don't understand how medical professionals can do them if they're unnecessary

It's a bit scary really

Doriangraysattic · Today 08:26

I don't want to be too outing but I had a congenital, totally harmless condition that 'embarrassed' my mother so she insisted it was 'fixed'

It didn't need to be 'fixed and it fact the 'fixings' were a failure and have left me with lifelong issues. Still that poor brave lady was feted and sympathised with so that's all ok

Johntaylorschin · Today 08:49

SFCA · 21/08/2026 00:29

I think the narrative from medical professionals here is downright dangerous! FII is NOT a medical condition it describes a set of behaviours and a form of child abuse. If you as a mandated reporter suspected a child could be a victim of sexual or physical abuse you would not wait to report until you had absolute proof, you would immediately report as you are MANDATED to do. It would then be investigated by SS and law enforcement. Every single nurse, doctor, teacher that failed to report their suspicions let these children down. It was not their duty to investigate, it was their duty to report, they failed in that duty.
As a parent of a child with very complex needs I can see how certain things unfolded. My son has epilepsy, he has that diagnosis after testing and it is a proven medical fact but after that diagnosis all the information about his seizures, medication tolerance etc comes from me. Because he has that diagnosis I could (obviously would absolutely not) get more and more extreme treatments for him by reporting more and more seizures. My son is also exclusively tube fed. He has no interest in food and doesn’t seem to have a clue what to do with it but the last time he had an actual test for eating orally was when he was about 18 months old (nearly a decade ago) so he could conceivably be eating 3 course meals at home and if I wasn’t reporting it no medical professionals would be aware. Our health care is set up to listen to patients and parents and to believe us. For most of us harming our child in this way is such an anathema that I can understand how it could happen. All that being said it was clearly stated there were a lot of concerns from a number of professionals.

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In a professional capacity but not medical I have recently had limited contact with a family where FII is suspected but as you say, most information comes from parent reports.

These supposed medical events happen when the child is at home, the only evidence is from the parent, maybe another family member who had been told ‘Jonny had a seizure’ and repeats this as fact but didn’t actually see it themselves as they would never suspect the other parent of making it up, but if a parent takes a child to hospital saying they had a seizure a medical record is made, then there will be a different medical issue, breathing problems, feeding problems, mobility issues, suddenly the child has multiple medical teams doing different tests and assessments and trying to unpick what is true and not becomes difficult and often these teams do not communicate with each other.

Then there is the reluctance of statutory agencies to make an allegation of FII in case they are wrong, and, whether it’s a social services role or health role to investigate, in the case I came across the family moved frequently, accessing care in different places, just as suspicions were heightened enough that investigations might have started the family moved out of area so ‘it’s not their responsibility anymore’, parents are able to easily manipulate the system and children get lost as no one wants to deal with such complex cases where nothing is proven and the impact on the child either way is going to be traumatic.

Spidey66 · Today 10:23

I binged it last night. The mother was so, so odd, and she still feels she did no wrong, despite screwing up both her children.

I get Laura not being able to speak out as a child. She was just a kid and you tend to believe and trust in your parents when you’re small. But like the bit when they were being interviewed on breakfast tv and mum saying how Matthew was not able to eat chocolate etc and poor Laura was obviously confused as she’d probably been sharing her Chocolate Buttons with him earlier!

x2boys · Today 12:04

I binged this.yesterday i dont.understsnd why Matthew needed to be om oxygen in hospital ?
Lisa couldnt have faked his oxygen sats

TheLarkAscendingRose · Today 12:27

x2boys · Today 12:04

I binged this.yesterday i dont.understsnd why Matthew needed to be om oxygen in hospital ?
Lisa couldnt have faked his oxygen sats

I wondered that too. All she could fake would be saying his lips went blue at home and faking home oxygen readings. Would that be enough?

AnnaMagnani · Today 12:37

Matthew could easily needed oxygen in hospital when he was a prem baby and then not later when he had grown - but by then he has the oxygen at home.
This is before everyone can buy a sats monitor on Amazon, his mum just has to keep reporting his lips went blue.

Similarly for the food - he goes home from PICU with an NG feed. She just argues he isn't growing or vomits on his food.

whaleby · Today 13:59

x2boys · Today 12:04

I binged this.yesterday i dont.understsnd why Matthew needed to be om oxygen in hospital ?
Lisa couldnt have faked his oxygen sats

I had a premature baby. They eventually got off oxygen and were fine in room air, this is decided by an overnight trace done at home with support of community nurses who then assess the data from the machine.

Sometimes when young after an infection, oxygen might be needed at home again but would eventually be weaned off using the same overnight trace test.

We were never left with oxygen for longer than my child needed it. I’m very surprised the nurses weren’t following this up? Unless mum was somehow manipulating the overnight SATS probe?

Same with feeding. Speech and language decided feeding was too dangerous for my child, not me. I wanted to keep trying until it was obvious it was an aspiration risk and was causing recurrent pneumonia. Why was this mum the overriding medical opinion in this situation?

AnnaMagnani · Today 15:21

It was the very early 2000s. Did those nursing teams even exist back then?

And what do they do faced with Mum of The Year insisting her child will die without it?

ThreeSteaksPamela · Today 15:31

Doriangraysattic · Today 08:26

I don't want to be too outing but I had a congenital, totally harmless condition that 'embarrassed' my mother so she insisted it was 'fixed'

It didn't need to be 'fixed and it fact the 'fixings' were a failure and have left me with lifelong issues. Still that poor brave lady was feted and sympathised with so that's all ok

This is the same as me. I had a lot of operations at Great Ormond Street which is such a name drop hospital for these parents. Signed me up to many experimental treatments for my condition that weren’t necessary literally just a kind of if this works you’ll be in medical books, like you as an adult I’m now worse off and suffering life long and life changing issues which I wouldn’t have if I hadn’t been put through them.
It was bizarre watching as I had in my mind “if I wasn’t born with this disability I can almost guarantee that either me or my siblings would have been a victim of some sort of medical abuse”.

whaleby · Today 15:33

AnnaMagnani · Today 15:21

It was the very early 2000s. Did those nursing teams even exist back then?

And what do they do faced with Mum of The Year insisting her child will die without it?

Yes, they existed. They don’t let you keep prescribed oxygen at home without scrutiny. Too much oxygen is dangerous. They monitor it.

bananaobama · Today 16:01

The Father has a lot to answer for

the children were taken away and put into care. Where was he when those kids were teenagers?

the daughter went to live with the nutty mum when she got out of prison

where TF was he when Laura needed a home?

TheLarkAscendingRose · Today 16:03

bananaobama · Today 16:01

The Father has a lot to answer for

the children were taken away and put into care. Where was he when those kids were teenagers?

the daughter went to live with the nutty mum when she got out of prison

where TF was he when Laura needed a home?

My understanding was that they were only with foster parents while it was investigated then returned to the dad. Laura chose to be with her mum

bananaobama · Today 16:05

TheLarkAscendingRose · Today 16:03

My understanding was that they were only with foster parents while it was investigated then returned to the dad. Laura chose to be with her mum

So did he move to Sheffield with them?

why did he let Laura go to live with her?

he does seem like a massive wet wipe!

Doriangraysattic · Today 16:07

Yes! I'm still angry with the medics for going along with it all. It's not just the multiple hospitalisation and pain, but everything else - losing friends from being off school so much, missing education, severe psychological stresses and the hangover of it all.

I've recently had to have more serious surgery that would never have been necessary had she not insisted on it all in the past.
I've tried to forgive but it's not easy