Nadia - stop moaning and get a job.....

[mids2019]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-15628823/Nadiya-Hussain-attack-BBC-cancelled-difficult-conversations.html

I think this woman needs her to realise her star has fallen like a lot of minor celebs. She has had a good run and everything has did was tired. New cookery blood should be allowed a chance.

I thinks it's undignified to start accusing her erstwhile employers of racism.

Well Rylan didnt set out to be a presenter though, thats the lucky bit, he wouldnt have made it as a singer

Jane Mcdonald was s success as a singer on cruises so she had a career to start with, then yes got lucky, got spotted but happens to be good at her job

But like others, that will wane, she cant do that forever, she'll come to the end of her sell by, its telly, its realistic.

I wouldn’t judge the appropriateness of a person’s comment on what MNHQ cares to remove or leave to stand.
And, incidentally, if you can read this entire thread and not reach a similar conclusion to my own then you’re either complicit or not the sort of person that should go wandering aimlessly – as you obviously can’t see the wood for the trees. I suspect a bit of both.

Eh, why are you getting arsey with another poster for not wanting to engage with you when you spent the start of this thread mocking anyone who said Islamic cuisine, and then ignored me when I pointed out to you that Nadiya used the terms Islamic cuisine and Muslim cuisine in the actual book that was being discussed?

Its only because of this thread that I might buy that book, I didnt realise she had one out. Im more interested in that than her other offerings which are just much of the same probably.

Rylan got VERY lucky to have a career in TV and for some reason his star hasn’t waned. Presumably he makes money for his employer though.

There is little logic to who has longevity in the industry. Liam from GBBO is terrible in Junior Bake Off as he doesn’t know how to talk to children but he’s still doing it.

A couple of GBBO contestants had very short TV careers (John who was on Strictly for a start).

If her shows had the viewing figures, they would keep her.

Liam is awful, I cant believe he has a job on not one, but TWO shows!!!

I know right! I only watch JBO because I think the kids are amazing and Harry Hill is great with them

I wonder if Tom Kerridge would be where he is if he wasn't lucky enough to have studied under the likes of Gary Rhodes - there is just as much luck involved in getting those sorts of positions as there is in winning a reality TV show - probably more luck to be fair. Marcus Wearing studied under Gordon Ramsey.

Jamie Oliver was lucky with his timing - the Naked Chef started in the late 90's so he hit the screens just as people were getting bored of the existing bland cooking formats and looking for something new and energetic (the original Lloyd Grossman's Masterchef was winding down then - it ended in 2001)

Tracey Solomon is making a bundle with her ASDA deal, whereas her husband's bright business deals are sinking and costing her money.

Mrs Hinch Ditto.

But it can all end

Someone I know is making 10k a month on average on Instagram. She's wisely squirrelled it away, bought a doer upper House on the beach to let out.

Nadiya I have to wonder where the money has gone

I mean whateve rhappened to Lloyd Grossman, I really liked him.

Do you mean Stacey Solomon? I love Sort Your Life Out!

He's doing well out of his sauces.

Sorry yes Stacey.

You have to diversify, reinvent.

Oh yes of course. OH loves them. I think they're repulsive but then I dont like jar sauces.

Not sure if you get into those top kitchens through just luck. They are massively oversubscribed with applications from ambitious young people (many with qualifications already) who just want to be in that environment even if its washing pots/kitchen porter from which they can kick on to a commis chef position. It takes a certain type of person who wants to work in a high pressure environment for shit money and anti social hours just to learn from the best.

Ive just looked him up. He is still alive, only 75.

You know how much you have dwindled in the public eye when a) people think you might be dead and b) when you put Lloyd into the search engine the first 20 results dont come up as your name!!!

Why do you think your post was deleted?

He is now Sir Lloyd Grossman and moved into the arts years ago. He has been a huge campaigner for the arts, chaired societies and worked with museums and art groups and all sorts. He’s been very busy. He is also mid 70s by now so he doesn’t need to be doing cooking shows.

Yes I think its interesting that they all seem to have worked from the bottom up, well the ones I can think of anyway

Dwindled in the public eye? Right. If you’re in the arts, you know he has been very active. Just because he isn’t on TV doing cooking.

I disagree. Middle Eastern cuisine is huge at the moment and there’s no shortage of books about it but Nadiya’s book is very much themed around the 30 days of Ramadan and I would expect that focus to reduce one’s audience further. Just as I’d expect a book of Winter meals to appeal to a wider and more varied audience than a Christmas recipe book because most people cook/prepare meals daily but fewer are interested enough in the Christmas day meal to buy a book dedicated to it.

Likewise as someone who doesn’t eat breakfast I’d be unlikely to buy a breakfast themed book even though I could theoretically make and eat the recipes at any time of the day.

That doesn’t mean that there isn’t a market for Ramadan books and that it’s a less worthy one. There are plenty of comparatively niche/specialist recipe books out there like fermented foods and the carnivore diet but the more caveats you add the less likely it is to appeal to the general market so a vegan cook book will reduce the number of potential purchasers but it will sell more than a raw vegan cookbook which will sell more than a book for fruitarians. That doesn’t mean that those smaller audiences shouldn’t be catered to.

He's enjoying his career in museums and art history and publishing books about Bernini.

Think you're proving @likelysuspect 's point there. If you have to be "in the arts" (whatever that is) to know what Lloyd Grossman is up to, he's definitely dwindled in the public eye.

He's like Delia Smith these days. Most people under 25 couldn't tell you who he is.

Waring and Kerridge have Michelin starred restaurants and continue to be relevant as world leaders in their field.

Jamie Oliver forged a career based on celebrity, cook books and politics. He has sold a fuck load of books. His market is the affluent middle Waitrose loving twats of this world who have more money than sense. He has a vast marketing brand.

Nadiya is essentially a celebrity TV cook who made a ten year long career but didn't actually move out of that niche. If anything she narrowed her appeal. Thinking of all the TV chefs who have come through the likes of MasterChef and Bake Off she's done better than most in terms of a media career. But that's what she had - a media career not a chefs career and there's your main difference.

I think she probably had run her course for a variety of reasons. She hasn't managed to increase her saleability or create a media empire or chef empire. She didn't have that kind of ambition or desire to do that. She just wanted to be a TV chef.

In terms of TV chefs then yes it's fair to say that it's probably time for a refresh in a very competitive market where there are lots of interesting new chefs - of a variety of different ethnic backgrounds who are in the same space as her. Part of the industry is looking for the next new thing. I would argue she hasn't had the status to full under 'industry leader' thus she's in this mix of churn of TV chefs which is fair enough in a way. That's the harsh reality of the media industry.

Personally I wasn't keen on her to begin with - I'm not a baker and I'm not fussed about the type of cooking she did. She's marmite on a personal level. Some people really like, some really don't. I don't like Oliver and he can disappear under a rock forever as far as I'm concerned but I do recognise his ability to make the book best seller list. Waring and Kerridge I continue to have time for on a variety of levels plus I don't think either have a marmite status and aren't niche.

I find her reactiond is sore and misplaced - her race was her unique selling point to begin with rather than her chefing ability tbh. She doesn't get where she fitted in and where her saleability was compared to others. It's like pop culture of all kinds, things have their moment. It's nothing personal and I do think there will be other Muslim women coming through.

My question would be what would the BBC do with Nadiya next which was now and interesting and I'm struggling to think of where they'd go with her which wasn't just a rehash. I think that's part of the problem.

I hope she continues to do what she loves but understands it's about the sheer fickleness and competitiveness of the media rather than really race.

Whatever happens, why does she think all this moaning will make her a good employee option? Claiming racism when it isn't clearly there is not a good look.