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SPOILERS Rivals Season 2 🥳

456 replies

Blossombunnyy · 05/02/2026 21:00

On Disney in May 15th 2026

Who's excited?

I can't wait the trailer looks so good.

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Redlocks30 · Yesterday 13:09

anxietyispartofme · Yesterday 13:06

Didn’t Monica have a friend in S1 called Hermione?

I think that’s Hermione Hampshire, wife of Henry-Lord Lieutenant.

LaMarschallin · Yesterday 13:24

I'd forgotten about Hermione Hampshire!
I was thinking of Hermione Harefield the opera singer who's introduced in "The Man who Made Husbands Jealous" (I think). She's beautiful and talented but otherwise a nightmare - I should imagine she'd be fun to play.
So far, I've only read the books (a lot!) but plan to sign up for Disney+ to see the TV series.

alittleprivacy · Yesterday 13:37

I may be on my own here, but my sympathy for Monica was pretty finite when she stormed home and ordered Caitlin into the car in the middle of a dangerous storm. That was inexcusable. She endangered a teenager because she felt humiliated by Archie's unwillingness to accept and stay quiet about Tony's cheating. She'd known for decades about Tony's cheating and what she did to Archie, setting fire to the contact sheet and refusing to talk about it, bordered on abusive. She wasn't in shock about Tony's behaviour just angry that Archie and Caitlin knew. Even the whole 'Maud was my friend' thing doesn't fly as she wasn't actually friends with Maud. She was just angry with herself for putting Maud into Tony's orbit.

Then she goes off and has this chat with Lizzie about women's sexuality and how she suppressed her own feelings as a younger woman. And as a result her plan is to utterly humiliate Caitlin by dragging her home and exposing her completely innocent sexual relationship with Archie. If she just wanted to tell Declan about Maud, she didn't need to drag a teenager into it, and create controversy over her burgeoning sexuality. She didn't need Caitlin to be any part of that, so even without the storm, her behaviour towards Caitlin was nasty and cruel. With the storm, she was recklessly endangering her out of spite. And now she's after leaving Caitlin with unspeakable trauma to deal with. Caitlin will have guilt for her death, when it was Caitlin who was the innocent victim in everything. (Archie too, though at least he was spared being in the accident and witnessing Monica's death.)

And lastly, Tony is a shit and a creep and he and Monica married in presumably the early sixties, where her options were extremely limited. But actually, marrying someone who you will never, ever be attracted to, and denying them physical, romantic and sexual attraction is pretty horrible. She's not Tony's victim, they were two people using each other and what she did to him was every bit as bad as what he did to her. And her whole 'I didn't used to be' about her lack of sexual desire wasn't a deserved insult, she wasn't going to be attracted to any man, aiming that at him when she knows her lack of attraction to him hurt him, was cruel. It's not like Tony doesn't deserve cruelty aimed at him, but that particular cruelty wasn't satisfying because that was on her, not him.

anxietyispartofme · Yesterday 13:47

alittleprivacy · Yesterday 13:37

I may be on my own here, but my sympathy for Monica was pretty finite when she stormed home and ordered Caitlin into the car in the middle of a dangerous storm. That was inexcusable. She endangered a teenager because she felt humiliated by Archie's unwillingness to accept and stay quiet about Tony's cheating. She'd known for decades about Tony's cheating and what she did to Archie, setting fire to the contact sheet and refusing to talk about it, bordered on abusive. She wasn't in shock about Tony's behaviour just angry that Archie and Caitlin knew. Even the whole 'Maud was my friend' thing doesn't fly as she wasn't actually friends with Maud. She was just angry with herself for putting Maud into Tony's orbit.

Then she goes off and has this chat with Lizzie about women's sexuality and how she suppressed her own feelings as a younger woman. And as a result her plan is to utterly humiliate Caitlin by dragging her home and exposing her completely innocent sexual relationship with Archie. If she just wanted to tell Declan about Maud, she didn't need to drag a teenager into it, and create controversy over her burgeoning sexuality. She didn't need Caitlin to be any part of that, so even without the storm, her behaviour towards Caitlin was nasty and cruel. With the storm, she was recklessly endangering her out of spite. And now she's after leaving Caitlin with unspeakable trauma to deal with. Caitlin will have guilt for her death, when it was Caitlin who was the innocent victim in everything. (Archie too, though at least he was spared being in the accident and witnessing Monica's death.)

And lastly, Tony is a shit and a creep and he and Monica married in presumably the early sixties, where her options were extremely limited. But actually, marrying someone who you will never, ever be attracted to, and denying them physical, romantic and sexual attraction is pretty horrible. She's not Tony's victim, they were two people using each other and what she did to him was every bit as bad as what he did to her. And her whole 'I didn't used to be' about her lack of sexual desire wasn't a deserved insult, she wasn't going to be attracted to any man, aiming that at him when she knows her lack of attraction to him hurt him, was cruel. It's not like Tony doesn't deserve cruelty aimed at him, but that particular cruelty wasn't satisfying because that was on her, not him.

If I remember correctly, book Monica wasn’t bothered about Tony’s affairs. Probably due to her own sexuality.

pondplants · Yesterday 13:49

@alittleprivacy I did think Monica leaving in the middle of a storm was out of character - even given the epiphany she had had about her marriage. I took her leaving as a way of wanting to expose the affair under the guise of taking Caitlin home, but it does feel like a very contrived way to kill her off cos she was ultimately a very sensible woman and would probably just go to bed after telling Tony she wants a divorce. My thinking, for writing purposes, is it implicates Archie (and possibly but probably not Tony) into feeling guilty they didn’t stop her leaving so that adds some turmoil for the characters. But the more I think about it the more it does seem just so unnecessary and a bit of cheap writing.

I also think it’s becoming increasingly implausible that venturer look like they could win the franchise. So they have to build all that back up now with the added unpleasantness of either capitalising on Tony’s dead wife or Tony making mis -steps now Monica is dead, either of which is a bit murky.

MagAmberson · Yesterday 13:53

mylovedoesitgood · Yesterday 13:07

I think I said earlier that Disney + dropped all episodes of the first series on one date, and it’s been annoying they’ve changed this for the second season but I get they want to profit more from the show which was a big hit. I’m waiting until they’re all on there in November to sign up again.

I don't mind the midseason split, the first season was only 8 episodes so I'd rather get 12 new episodes but wait six months midway through.

EnchantedDaytime · Yesterday 14:01

Monica and Tony may well have been using each other all along, they should never have married, but it is her that has had to put up with the public humiliation of his affairs and general bad behaviour all this time, as she said it would have been unthinkable in her family and circles for her not to marry, or not to marry “well” let alone engage in a same-sex relationship so how much choice did she have really. I could have understood Tony engaging in a discreet, loving relationship on the side with someone like Lizzie, and I think Monica would have been fine turning a blind eye to that but his ruthless, predatory sexual behaviour is way beyond what she should have had to put up with.

alittleprivacy · Yesterday 14:01

@pondplants Yeah, that's fair. I felt that Lizzie's daughter coming down and taking her away in the middle of their heart to heart, was an obvious contrivance that was going to lead to a disaster. And when she was dragging Caitlin out, at what was presumably at least after 1am, and Tony was saying it was too dangerous, it felt like contrived nonsense because it was unforgivably irresponsible, no matter what provocation. But you are right, it was the opposite of her personality and the woman written up until then, wouldn't have done that.

I lived through that storm, and Hurricane Charlie in 86. In 86 I was at Butlins with my nana and she wouldn't even let us leave the chalet to pee before bed, even though we were right across from the toilet block. It's the one and only time in my life that I peed in a sink! If I'd been Declan in those circumstances, I'd have been even more angry at Monica than Maud, because of the danger to Caitlin. (Obviously Declan wouldn't think of his child's safety first, but a normal parent would.)

Andylion · Yesterday 14:06

Andylion · Yesterday 12:12

Looking forward to seeing Paul getting punched. He is the definition of wanker.

Oops. I mean James

CaragianettE · Yesterday 14:53

alittleprivacy · Yesterday 13:37

I may be on my own here, but my sympathy for Monica was pretty finite when she stormed home and ordered Caitlin into the car in the middle of a dangerous storm. That was inexcusable. She endangered a teenager because she felt humiliated by Archie's unwillingness to accept and stay quiet about Tony's cheating. She'd known for decades about Tony's cheating and what she did to Archie, setting fire to the contact sheet and refusing to talk about it, bordered on abusive. She wasn't in shock about Tony's behaviour just angry that Archie and Caitlin knew. Even the whole 'Maud was my friend' thing doesn't fly as she wasn't actually friends with Maud. She was just angry with herself for putting Maud into Tony's orbit.

Then she goes off and has this chat with Lizzie about women's sexuality and how she suppressed her own feelings as a younger woman. And as a result her plan is to utterly humiliate Caitlin by dragging her home and exposing her completely innocent sexual relationship with Archie. If she just wanted to tell Declan about Maud, she didn't need to drag a teenager into it, and create controversy over her burgeoning sexuality. She didn't need Caitlin to be any part of that, so even without the storm, her behaviour towards Caitlin was nasty and cruel. With the storm, she was recklessly endangering her out of spite. And now she's after leaving Caitlin with unspeakable trauma to deal with. Caitlin will have guilt for her death, when it was Caitlin who was the innocent victim in everything. (Archie too, though at least he was spared being in the accident and witnessing Monica's death.)

And lastly, Tony is a shit and a creep and he and Monica married in presumably the early sixties, where her options were extremely limited. But actually, marrying someone who you will never, ever be attracted to, and denying them physical, romantic and sexual attraction is pretty horrible. She's not Tony's victim, they were two people using each other and what she did to him was every bit as bad as what he did to her. And her whole 'I didn't used to be' about her lack of sexual desire wasn't a deserved insult, she wasn't going to be attracted to any man, aiming that at him when she knows her lack of attraction to him hurt him, was cruel. It's not like Tony doesn't deserve cruelty aimed at him, but that particular cruelty wasn't satisfying because that was on her, not him.

And as a result her plan is to utterly humiliate Caitlin by dragging her home and exposing her completely innocent sexual relationship with Archie. If she just wanted to tell Declan about Maud, she didn't need to drag a teenager into it, and create controversy over her burgeoning sexuality. She didn't need Caitlin to be any part of that, so even without the storm, her behaviour towards Caitlin was nasty and cruel.

Maybe I missed stuff, but it wasn’t clear to me that any of that was part of her plan? It wasn’t really clear to me that she had a plan, she was deeply emotional and obviously felt she couldn’t bear to be in the house with Tony a minute longer. I agree that driving off in that storm with Caitlin was deeply irresponsible and reckless but it wasn’t at all clear to me she was planning to humiliate Caitlin, I think you could just as well say she was trying to extract Caitlin from the storm that was going on in the Baddingham family, which honestly to me seemed reasonable enough (had there not been the real-life storm). I think most people would probably rather not have a comparative stranger of a teenager in the house while their marriage was breaking down.

And lastly, Tony is a shit and a creep and he and Monica married in presumably the early sixties, where her options were extremely limited. But actually, marrying someone who you will never, ever be attracted to, and denying them physical, romantic and sexual attraction is pretty horrible. She's not Tony's victim, they were two people using each other and what she did to him was every bit as bad as what he did to her. And her whole 'I didn't used to be' about her lack of sexual desire wasn't a deserved insult, she wasn't going to be attracted to any man, aiming that at him when she knows her lack of attraction to him hurt him, was cruel. It's not like Tony doesn't deserve cruelty aimed at him, but that particular cruelty wasn't satisfying because that was on her, not him.

I don’t think this take reflects the reality of gay people in the 60s, or later. Let’s not forget that gay ‘conversion’ therapy is still not banned in the UK even in 2026. When I was growing up in the early 1990s with same-sex feelings and trying to find information about them (which was not easy to do, not least because discussion of it was banned in schools under Section 28), the entry on ‘homosexuality’ that I found in my parents’ Encyclopaedia Britannica still said that it was possible for most gay people’s sexuality to be changed through therapy. There’s no reason to think that Monica might not have believed, or hoped, when she married Tony that her sexuality could be changed by the marriage. That’s what the society around her would have been telling her. Yes it’s awful for him as well as her that he was married to someone who couldn’t be attracted to him, but I don’t think we can assume she had the freedom of choice or even the knowledge in making that decision that you’re claiming she did.

binliner · Yesterday 14:59

I didn’t think she was bothered by Archie & Caitlin, I thought she was going to tell about Tony’s affair

MagAmberson · Yesterday 15:00

I don't believe Monica was thinking straight when she announced she was driving Caitlin back to the Priory, she showed up at Lizzie's in her slippers saying she was collecting jumble in the middle of a hurricane!

Declan and Maud may have assumed that Monica had only just discovered Caitlin in bed with Archie and she was bringing her home immediately. Though I think Declan does question why Monica decides to drive in that weather.

I did like how he barely questions why Rupert is sitting at the table with Taggie in the middle of the night!

Will Cameron find herself drifting back towards Tony now she realises her and Rupert are on borrowed time?

Raven08 · Yesterday 15:00

Hmm.
I'm not sure.
Do we know who took tge golden gauntlet tapes?

Notonthestairs · Yesterday 15:12

binliner · Yesterday 14:59

I didn’t think she was bothered by Archie & Caitlin, I thought she was going to tell about Tony’s affair

Yes I thought the purpose of the drive was to tell Declan about the affair. Having had the showdown with Tony she wanted to take immediate and purposeful action to save herself.

Obviously the drive wasn't a sensible choice (see also slippers) but she was finally allowing her heart to dictate her choices.

(and yes I entirely see how this fits in to the bury the gays trope)

TheLemonOtter · Yesterday 15:25

I think someone suggested this earlier, but maybe they are going to overlap Tony's story with Ricky FL from Polo? So Monica dying is a parallel with Will? But also, Rupert and Tony have known each other a long time - Rupert bullied Tony at school, and there definitely would nit have been police to spare in a rural area after the hurricane.

MagAmberson · Yesterday 15:32

I think the writers wanted to expand Tony's role to give David Tennant more to do e.g. his reaction to Monica's death in the new episodes. I felt by the end of the last season Aidan Turner and Alex Hassell were overshadowing him, even though he's the bigger name. His affair with Maud was brought front and centre, and took up loads of screentime (it was a late twist in the book). And it appears they're going to make him even more villainous now that Monica is no longer around to keep him somewhat in check.

I'm not a massive fan but he was brilliant in episode 6, even with all the nasty things he said he still managed to make me tear up with his "Monica? My wife Monica?"

binliner · Yesterday 15:34

What would happen if she lived and told about the affair? Everything would have to blow up, this way they can draw out the storyline.

And I do think she could keep him in check somewhat

anxietyispartofme · Yesterday 15:39

Surely it would have been better to have put her in a coma than kill her off.

But actually isn’t it only bad for Maud if the affair comes out? Everyone knows Tony is a cad, and wouldn’t he quite enjoy having a one over on Declan. Why would Tony care about the state of Declan and Maud’s marriage.

binliner · Yesterday 15:40

I think it would have looked bad for Tony if Monica left him.

binliner · Yesterday 15:43

I think putting her in a coma would have been too similar to the ending of season 1.

Plus I think it’s good that writers are deviating from the books as you never know what to expect.

MagAmberson · Yesterday 16:47

An affair with Maud, Monica walking out, would ruin his family values franchise campaign. The franchise battle was very much in the background compared to last season. With Monica dying we're left to speculate what Archie and Caitlin will do, how will everyone eventually find out

EnchantedDaytime · Yesterday 17:15

Tony is relying on Maud for Four Men Went to Mow, plus he has got the “How to Stay Married” show. But I have somewhat lost interest in the franchise battle.

Lunde · Yesterday 18:31

Miranda65 · Yesterday 11:27

I still have a few bits of M&S Harvest 😂

I gave my final piece to the charity shop a couple of years ago - the butter dish! I had been reluctant to let it go but 20-something dd demanded to know when we used it last and I had to admit that it was at least 15-20 years!!

Lunde · Yesterday 18:32

BestIsWest · Yesterday 11:35

We had M&S Autumn leaves and I stencilled a flowery border around my kitchen walls to match. That was the ultimate in 80s home decor!

OMG stencilling - a blast from the late 80s early 90s

Perhaps Taggie should take it up and earn a fortune 😂

Lunde · Yesterday 18:35

Raven08 · Yesterday 12:25

I sense I'm supposed to like Declan, but I don't.
They forgot taggies 21st!
Awful parents 😡

The character is hard to like as he is so self absorped