Caroline Flack documentary

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Is anyone watching the new Caroline Flack documentary on Disney plus.

Her mother is trying to stand up for her. Its very sad. And interesting . Her mother looked up a lot of information about the assualt case.

It was a night where both of them were very drunk. Caroline found texts from another woman on her partner's phone. She hit him with the phone on his head to wake him up. She shouldn't have done that.

I am just recounting the facts of what happened

Caroline's partner threatened to ring the police. He rang the police and said he wasn't sure what he had been hit with, maybe a lamp or something. (He later agreed that it was a phone).

After he rang the police, Caroline was so distraught that she cut her wrists.

Her mother said that media reported that the room looked like a horror movie. But they made it seem like the blood was her partners. The blood was Carolines.

Her partner was not injured. And he did not want to press charges.

In the documentary it shows that the police initiallly decided not to press charges on Caroline.
Due to
Her having no previous history of violence
Her partner was not injured
Her partner did not want to press charges.

They decided to give Caroline a caution.

However a Detective came on duty later that night and decided to overturn the decision. She decided to charge Caroline with assault.

The documentary also shows notes the police made. They refer a lot to Caroline as a celebrity and a high profile case. Her mother thinks Caroline was charged unfairly as the police had attention on them over this case.

It then shows Carolines texts to friends . She writes "I have lost it all. I don't see any way out".

Its very sad. Has anyone watched it

@HearMeOutt thank you it’s sad but true

Sorry, I don't understand what point you are trying to make? Research has shown that by the time the police are called by a victim, it's normally not the first offence, which is why first offenders are routinely prosecuted. Research also shows that DV victims are very often coerced into withdrawing complaints by fear or emotional manipulation, which is why cases routinely go ahead even though the victim asks for it to be stopped.

It's much easier to understand this approach if you've sat in a court watching a lovely girl beg you to lift the restraining order stopping her boyfriend from coming home, saying over and over again "it was my fault, I provoked him", while her bruised and battered face showed clearly that we couldn't let that happen. She meant it wholeheartedly at that moment, he had knocked her self esteem so low she thought she couldn't live without him.

If the sexes were reversed in Caroline's case I don't think anyone would bat an eye at the way it was handled by the Police.

She pleaded not guilty at her trail in December 2019.

I clearly remember the previous documentary and media coverage which stated her friend found her hanging.
So is her mother now claiming this isn't the case and Caroline's twin found her?
Is she deliberately misleading or confused?
I don't get the channel so can't watch.

There were a few inconsistencies. I remember at the time it was reported that her friend Lou Teasdale and another friend had been with her all night, then popped to the shops. They couldn’t get back in and Lou phoned her dad for help and then they found her body. Why did Christine change the story completely? Why has she cut certain people out of the narrative?

I remember the family also made some unkind comments about Laura Whitmore when she took over Love Island. The show is a toxic environment and contestants have taken their own lives.

I actually felt sorry for her friend Mollie - she mentioned she had to go to work so she was holding down a job while babysitting Caroline. Lou (mentioned above) had a child. They had a lot of responsibility for Caroline, someone who could afford to go to a private mental health facility and get help. She really shouldn’t have been sitting in a flat all day being watched by friends.

I’m also surprised she wasn’t sectioned, given that there were at least 3 suicide attempts (that we know of) and the attack on Lewis.

The sad thing is, all this happened right before lockdown so it either the case wouldn’t have gone to court or it would have been overshadowed by the terrible events happening in the world.

Cheryl Cole, Vicky Pattison, Naomi Campbell, Boy George - all had similar cases. The world moved on.

I find it interesting that by wanting a hierarchy of DV you seem to want DV to escalate to such a stage that someone is seriously injured so that it (in your view) DV becomes valid.

And yes I do believe that the calls to the police should be of equal measure.
Why?
Because I believe that any and all forms of DV are wrong and it is the police's job to take it seriously, and I would rather it was the police hauling the offender off, than an ambulance carrying away the victim.

As for making cases that is for the CPS to sort out, not the police.

Exactly this. Why didn’t the family step in and get her professional help? Either they had no idea of the extent of what was going on or they chose to overlook it. As I said upthread the police aren’t to blame neither are the CPS. They did their jobs. What did the family do.

where did they get that dr from?

making someone vomit has not been good clinical practice since I worked on a&e in the 90’s. It was shown that it increased death rates due to complications, and was unlikely to reduce absorption of a drug. Standard of care has been activated charcoal drink in the first hour for at least 25 years.

add to that if she was drowsy or CNS depressed her airway protection would be compromised, increasing the risks even further. Aspirating vomit will kill you.

plus to do it in an out of hospital setting where airway can’t be monitored and god knows what they might use to induce vomiting- using salt has killed people before, another reason emesis is not recommended.

either this is misreported or that dr needs their licence yanked.

You say ‘get her professional help’ like there’s a hotline they can call and the correct type of therapist will just appear at her door the next day to stage an intervention. It just isn’t like that. We have no idea what went on - ultimately a lot of people refuse help and if they do you can’t force them. My dad is an alcoholic and honestly I have lost count of how much I have done to ‘step in and get him help’. He won’t attend AA, he doesn’t even acknowledge he has alcoholism. I’ve tried begging and crying, writing pleading letters, getting angry, hiding his booze, shaming him in front of other people, staging interventions. Nothing worked, for 20 years, until I finally stepped away. To the outside world I look like I’m ’not getting him the help he needs’ and no doubt when he dies of cirrhosis, they’ll wonder why his family ‘didn’t do anything’. If only they knew.

The night before her first court hearing she had taken pills and alcohol and her manager described her as 'nearly dying' if that was really the case why didnt they attempt to get her sectioned instead of just 'sticking their fingers down her throat' ? She was obviously very mentally unwell and it was those around her that failed her.

The “nearly dying” was so obviously for sympathy. No one that’s “nearly died” remains at home and attend court a few hours later.

My DS best friends mum was close to dying 2 weeks ago. She s still in hospital.

That sounds really rough 💐

sorry how do you know it was one time

I wouldn't feel differently.
I'd beg, borrow or steal to get her an inpatient stay at a mental health facility. I'd request an intervention with a gp and police to have her sectioned, no access to phones or SM..
I wouldn't be blaming the police, I'd be grateful they turned up to contain the situation.

I find it hard to believe it was only one time because the previous bf said he was lucky to get out of the relationship alive and that he wasn’t surprised when he heard what she’d done to Lewis

I watched this on the back of reading this thread.
would normally not be on my radar because I was never a fan of programs she appeared in so really didn’t have an opinion of her, obviously I knew who she was.

but what struck me was that a ‘better’ approach would have been to examine the part that the media had in it all.

to me it was the media reporting that defined how she would be portrayed, and it’s obvious how fragile she was due to the negative attention.

Going by those who have real legal experience on this thread it seems that due process was followed, whether we as individuals agree or not from our arm chairs.

this was a women who had MH issues for most of her life yet no one close to her encouraged her to seek support.

It is a tragic tale, but let’s not kid ourselves that the establishment conspired against her.

Absolutely the media have a part to play.

The police and CPS followed due process.

They didn’t give the photos to the newspaper nor print them saying it it was his blood.

I also agree with her finds she should have paid for inpatient treatment if her MH was really bad instead of staying in a hotel.

It’s also hard to take a documentary by a grieving mum as gospel when she outwardly lies in not about who found the body.

I kinda believe that part tbh, my boyfriend tried killing himself, fortunately was found on time and the person who found him knew what to do, but then he was given 3 numbers to reach out to by the doctor and sent on his way. I was very surprised that he wasn’t sectioned straight away.

This is a while ago and fortunately he’s alright now but he did have to look up treatment on his own.

Yes, I call BS on a doctor’s professional advice being to make her vomit up the pills she’d taken.

Disney are better than this - what was the point of this one sided re-hashing of events? Hard to understand why it was ever commissioned.

It certainly wasn’t to highlight mental health issues as Caroline didn’t ever seem to tackle hers.

That's right, Harry wrote about her in Spare.

You cant 'attempt to get someone sectioned'. You are very rarely sectioned or even seen by medics for suicide or overdoeses, it might have been see that the overdose was not that significantly harmful, they often arent

Im sick and was sick of seeing this woman painted as some sort of victim. She was violent, refused to plead guilty, creepy in her choice of partner as many on here would say about a man. Unfotunately for her family she chose to take her life rather than just get the court case done over and done with.

But you know, she was female so its all ok and none of it her fault and she just needed help

The vast majority of DV perpetrators have MH issues, nothing different here. We would be up in arms at violence just being dealt with by caution. Up in arms for the same DV perpetrator to have a history of dating a teenager in his 30s.

I don't think Caroline got off with anything. The media hounded her! She also got charged so she certainly did not get off lightly and would of been reprimanded accordingly. If it was my daughter I would of refused to do any form of documentary. Surprised her mother agreed to it!

You've assumed nobody supported her through her mental health. Unfortunately some people's MH is severe and you can't force people. Maybe she did seek help who knows.

I also think we're very keen to label every type of this behaviour as MH but she may not have been consdiered as having a MH clinical disorder by MH services

Lots of times service users that I work with, children and adults are seen by MH services and not diagnosed with anything specific, or is said to be 'behavioural' not a MH condition, so not treatable.

CROWN Prosecution Service.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/