Caroline Flack documentary

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Is anyone watching the new Caroline Flack documentary on Disney plus.

Her mother is trying to stand up for her. Its very sad. And interesting . Her mother looked up a lot of information about the assualt case.

It was a night where both of them were very drunk. Caroline found texts from another woman on her partner's phone. She hit him with the phone on his head to wake him up. She shouldn't have done that.

I am just recounting the facts of what happened

Caroline's partner threatened to ring the police. He rang the police and said he wasn't sure what he had been hit with, maybe a lamp or something. (He later agreed that it was a phone).

After he rang the police, Caroline was so distraught that she cut her wrists.

Her mother said that media reported that the room looked like a horror movie. But they made it seem like the blood was her partners. The blood was Carolines.

Her partner was not injured. And he did not want to press charges.

In the documentary it shows that the police initiallly decided not to press charges on Caroline.
Due to
Her having no previous history of violence
Her partner was not injured
Her partner did not want to press charges.

They decided to give Caroline a caution.

However a Detective came on duty later that night and decided to overturn the decision. She decided to charge Caroline with assault.

The documentary also shows notes the police made. They refer a lot to Caroline as a celebrity and a high profile case. Her mother thinks Caroline was charged unfairly as the police had attention on them over this case.

It then shows Carolines texts to friends . She writes "I have lost it all. I don't see any way out".

Its very sad. Has anyone watched it

A one off mistake, whereby the person is really sorry for what they have done, is remorseful and never repeats it again and their partner accepts that, is not the same as someone who endures DV daily/weekly where they are too scared to report it and there is no remorse.

If you think both of the above are equal well that’s part of the problem I would say.

So writes someone who doesn't realise how clever perpetrators of domestic violence are at persuading their victims that it was their own fault and the police that they are whiter than white.

The first mistake is rarely ever reported. Women hope the man they love won't do it again, men are too ashamed to admit their wife hits them.

As has been said to you many times on this thread.
Calling the police is often the response of someone that has been attacked many times.
Hitting a partner once is one time too many.

If you can't see that then you are part of the problem.

And if you know anything about the perpetrators of DV you will know that they will often be remorseful after the event promising that they will never do it again, some are even manipulative after the event cutting themselves and saying that they will kill themselves if they are reported.

If you can't see that then you are part of the problem.

But was she wasn’t actually punished, was she? But was going to be prosecuted. She would have been able to plead her innocent and/or mitigating circumstances there.

How do you know this was the first time for sure ?

Lewis said something when the police arrived in the transcript. Like "I know she's going to hurt herself" I can't remember the exact wording.

My automatic thought was he's seen her do this before.

She may not have assualted him in the past but harming yourself in front of others because of wrong that you perceive they have done to you is a form of abuse.

Also, in the police notes, it said she admitted guilt (several times) then later didn’t admit guilt. Maybe she changed what she said? It is possible the police notes were correct when they were written.

Even if she'd just received a caution, the press still had the pictures, could still say she abused her boyfriend, could still report that she struck him with an object.

In fact they'd have been even more free without an active court case.

People are writing/ presenting this as though the choice was caution or something which would have condemned her forever.

ITV would surely still have suspended her, even with a caution, we'd all still have known about it.

No she wouldn't have had to go to court but there was absolutely no guarantee it would have made it there and even if it had,it would have been a summary offence, not an enormous trial.

The actions of the police officer didn't stop her from ever having a career again, her decision to end her life did. With what followed in 2020 mental health was massively on the agenda and people were putting out there own content. There'd have been an audience for her.

Boy George chained a man to a radiator and served prison time but is still in the public eye with a platform.

The fact she saw no hope was a reflection of her mental state, not reality.

I feel her mother needs this narrative to be true because then it can't be the case that anyone failed to help her gain some perspective, and I do feel sorry for her for that but she's now heaping the kind of scrutiny her daughter couldn't cope with on others.

But whether it’s happened 30 times or once, if it’s been reported only once then in the eyes of the law it would be difficult to find evidence to say it’s happened 10 times.

So it’s moot how many times happened before as the evidence wouldn’t be there for most cases so it will be a case of he/she said

Does it state in the police report that she self harmed after he called the police? I was under the impression that he called the police because she self harmed.

Oh if only you realised…. Actually says someone who’s mother was an alcoholic who died in her 50’s due to alcoholism, leaving a 21 year old (me) to deal with an abusive father, who battered my brother and sister and cracked my mams ribs and bet her up weekly…..

I’d say I have more than a slight insight to DV and it’s why I question one off mistakes….

You keep using the same comment I used, “You’re part of the problem” No, you’re part of the problem to say all calls to the police have equal measures. Utterly absurd

Regardless of other cases, it doesn’t make this case the same.

That’s irrelevant because if there is no evidence then there is no crime…. regardless of the truth - if there is no evidence of a crime then logically it can’t go to court

Christ almighty - she wasn’t punished no??? She committed suicide bless her so I’ll argue that you’re wrong in that she wasn’t punished- given the poor woman has had the ultimate sacrifice being her life.

Just watched this and what struck me as strange was the night before her first court hearing her manager called a doctor because she was 'slurring ans incoherent ' and the doctor simply advised making her vomit up the pills -her manager later commented that she was in court just hours after allegedly 'nearly dying ' why on earth didn't they get her a MH assessment? There was also another occasion where her friends allegedly had her on suicide watch . Her family and friends kept referring to the evidence of her poor mental health but didnt appear to be concerned enough to get her professional help .

Wow, just wow…. There was NO evidence it wasn’t the first time but let’s forget that if it suits your narrative….

If self harming in front of others you regard as abuse then where do you stand on alcoholics? Are they abusive because they self harming in front of others?

I'm very sorry that is your history but it seems to confirm that most first offences, of DV, when reported, aren't the first assault by a long way.

It's not irrelevant and it's why first offences of DV usually go to court when other first offences don't, which is what we were discussing at the time. Not to punish the unknown previous offences but to try to stop further assaults.

How do you get professional help though? The system is utterly broken. It’s so sad. Her family and friends aren’t responsible for the shit MH services we have here.

but it only becomes apparent it’s not the
first time (and far from it) due to further investigation and interviews in normal circumstances

I wouldn’t say that’s a reflection on them but more of a reflection of MH needs in the NHS and the state it’s in in general

I just wanted to say thank you to all of you who have kept it all civil. It’s obviously very emotionally charged and we all have our different opinions but we’ve all been respectful despite these differences.

I have disagreed with most and ‘argued’ points of view but overall the majority have been respectful as I hope I have

There is no evidence it was the first time and there is no evidence it didn't happen before either. Her previous partner did allude to it

In your scenario if the alcoholic tells their partner "you are the reason I drink" then yes that is abusive.

It's clear in the documentry that the reason she slit her wrists was because he called the police.

The reason he called the police was becauce she assualted him and he had serious concerns on her wellbeing.

Many pp on this thread have shared their experiencesof DV. It's a common occurrence that the abuser abuses the victim then themselves as if their hurt then cancels out the original sin.

Yes the system is completely broken. Caroline had money though and could most likely access care that isn't available to your average Joe smoe

Has it been your daughter I bet you’d disagree with all you’ve written…

I agree to a point. There are many an alcoholic who refuse to see their problem. Help can only be obtained if the person is willing