Caroline Flack documentary

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Is anyone watching the new Caroline Flack documentary on Disney plus.

Her mother is trying to stand up for her. Its very sad. And interesting . Her mother looked up a lot of information about the assualt case.

It was a night where both of them were very drunk. Caroline found texts from another woman on her partner's phone. She hit him with the phone on his head to wake him up. She shouldn't have done that.

I am just recounting the facts of what happened

Caroline's partner threatened to ring the police. He rang the police and said he wasn't sure what he had been hit with, maybe a lamp or something. (He later agreed that it was a phone).

After he rang the police, Caroline was so distraught that she cut her wrists.

Her mother said that media reported that the room looked like a horror movie. But they made it seem like the blood was her partners. The blood was Carolines.

Her partner was not injured. And he did not want to press charges.

In the documentary it shows that the police initiallly decided not to press charges on Caroline.
Due to
Her having no previous history of violence
Her partner was not injured
Her partner did not want to press charges.

They decided to give Caroline a caution.

However a Detective came on duty later that night and decided to overturn the decision. She decided to charge Caroline with assault.

The documentary also shows notes the police made. They refer a lot to Caroline as a celebrity and a high profile case. Her mother thinks Caroline was charged unfairly as the police had attention on them over this case.

It then shows Carolines texts to friends . She writes "I have lost it all. I don't see any way out".

Its very sad. Has anyone watched it

im fed up of the saint caroline narrative-her previous fiance even said im not surprised when she wa scharged with assault-he couldnt say anymore as he signed an nda

since when do we say oh they dropped the charges that means it wasnt seruous when it comes to men abusing their partners-we know why they dont want to make a statment and support them-doesnt mean theyre not being abused

yes the media wouldnt leave her alone thats the only thing her mother should be angry about not that she was charged

and i thought it was the cps that judges whther theres a case or not

You don’t need to count them, if you click to see all the OP’s posts it shows how many there are.

If he wanted to have his say he could have as the producers of this documentary have said that he was approached to be involved, either on camera or just informally as part of their research - he declined which is obviously his choice to do so

There were a lot of decisions made that led to her taking her life by many people and while it was ultimately her choice to do what she did, some of the authorities, press and keyboard warriors involved did stoke the fire.

Anyone who commits a crime should be held accountable but let’s not say that all abusers get treated the way she did in terms of being charged, because they are not

In the documentry was it explained why she pleaded not guilty?

The OP keeps saying she admitted guilt and would have accepted the caution so why plead not guilty

It's really not that easy. Maybe he doesn't want to talk about the abuse he suffered, maybe he doesn't want to talk about the past now he's moved on.

As a DA survivor I don't like talking about it, in fact only one person in real life knows about it. I don't want to constantly tell my side.

Anyone who commits a crime should be held accountable but let’s not say that all abusers get treated the way she did in terms of being charged, because they are not

And that's where the law is an ass but she wasn't picked on, she committed abuse and she was being rightly punished.

I doubt it was a phone, most likely what he first suspected smacked him, cutting herself was very abusive, controlling, even though she was unwell.
It is obviously very sad that she couldn't cope and ended her life.
Her DM downplayed the situation.
It must have been terrifying watching her lose it, blood everywhere.

His life has been taking over by this.
He's drawn a line, totally fair, imagine the guilt he has, deep regrets on starting the relationship. He's moved on. I have no doubt that it would have worked out okay, if she'd booked herself into the priory, faced court, accepted her suspended sentence, she would have had a come back.
She'd be back smiling on TV.

I think we need to be mindful that the makers of this documentary have gone round a lot of people and only chosen to show those who support their narrative. It wasn't very balanced.

She was clearly unwell. When she was happy the family seem to let her crack on but she she was spiralling it was everyone else's fault.

I just think that they should just let Caroline rest in peace and her family need to manage their grief. Whether she was an abuser who had mental health problems isn’t going to bring her back they should just let her be.

If you haven’t watched it then you can’t comment objectively. That’s part of the problem. The documentary puts together the truth and what actually happens rather than the media’s version which wasn’t factual

It was barely a scratch. She made a mistake and gave him a small cut. To say her cutting her wrists was controlling and abusive is in poor taste. She was clearly deeply unhappy and suffered MH for years. He was receiving messages from other women so was hardly Snow White himself.

Does it or is it all from her mother's point of view?
It's a very sad situation and I don't understand why they have decided to bring it all up again.

@OrangeeS as an apologist for DV can you answer these questions?

How many times could Caroline Flack hit her partner before it becomes DV?
How much damage much Caroline Flack have to do before it becomes DV?

I’m willing to bet it doesn’t.

Against my better judgement, I watched Christine’s interview with Spencer Matthews this week and again it was riddled with inaccuracies and things which were wildly out of context.

She kept saying things the police hadn’t done in such a tone that the viewer should find it shocking, rather than the perfectly routine actions they were. For example she said ‘they took no evidence’ - you wouldn’t physically take evidence in a case like this, the evidence would likely be the 999 call (under the principal of res gestae - can’t be bothered to explain but you can look it up if so inclined), statements from the attending officers, a photo of the scene and an injury photo of there was one to hand (and a victim statement if the victim supports). You would only do a full forensic sweep for something so serious a prison sentence (and a lengthy one at that) was likely - for example GBH, attempted murder, murder. Or a burglary where there are no witnesses and it hinges on forensics.

On and on it went; inaccuracy after inaccuracy, said in an outraged tone followed by a pause as if to say ‘can you believe that’. And I kept thinking ‘yes I can, because that is what would happen to anyone else, and it does’.

Unless you have knowledge of this you can’t put her interview in context and as such yes she makes it all sound so suspicious and negligent. But truly, honestly, it wasn’t.

So hitting our partners can be excused as long as it only results in a small cut? Wow.

If my partner hit me, whether it resulted in any size of cut, or no cut at all, I would call the police and he would be gone. It’s disgusting. It’s not a mistake. People choose to be violent. He was a bastard to cheat, but it does not justify violence.

The mum is in shock and denial. The police weren’t to blame. The CPS weren’t to blame. Tv producers were probably to blame for not seeing the problems Caroline clearly had. The family either didn’t know the lifestyle she had or whatever they DID know was likely minimised by Caroline.

Nor me. It is now just a very unfair witch hunt of the poor detective. She said in the interview she couldn’t believe ‘such a tiny little girl like Caroline could be in this much trouble’.

So you’d be fine with a man hitting a woman if she received messages from another man? Just to be clear.

What level of DV becomes unacceptable to you?

There was definitely inconsistencies within the police files with what was said what wasn’t said etc…. She was painted as the worst person ever and an abuser so I can understand why her Mam is wanting to clear her name. I’m not saying she wasn’t wrong for hitting him but it was a one off.

I also agree with her Mam that she was made an example of because of who she was. Imagine the costs in a jury trial for a small cut? Hundreds of thousands of pounds so under normal circumstances she would have got a caution. Even at the end a prosecuting lawyer read over the files and said he was surprised they decided to do ahead with the prosecution.

You wouldn’t have a jury trial. Assault is a summary only matter, she would be tried in front of 3 lay Magistrates or a District Judge.

Why am I still on this thread, it’s doing my blood pressure no good!

No it’s not ok but it was blown out of all proportion and she was made an example of. It was a small cut she hadn’t beaten him unconscious.

I’ll ask you if your daughter done the same and cut her partner would you be happy? No? But would you expect it to go to trail and her lose her job, income and everything for a moment of anger when she’d never done it before? Would a caution not be more appropriate for a first offence like this? Again, a small cut.

OK, so if he'd hit CF on the head with a phone while she was asleep, because he'd seen some texts he didn't like, what would your view be then?

If she was cutting her wrists in the aftermath I can imagine he thought/realised she was out of control and he needed urgent help dealing with it. Like she would in a reversed situation.

I could be mistaken but hadn’t the previous bf agreed to an NDA?

Cautions are only very rarely used in domestic violence cases, one of the reasons being it’s nearly always a pattern of behaviour which needs dealing with immediately.

You cannot whack someone, a small cut is the result of using force, imagine waking up to the hysteria, having being whacked over the head whilst the abuser is attempting suicide in the bedroom, bleeding everywhere.
Anyone would call the police.
You're downplaying it. If your partner done those things, would you say, it was only a small cut, nothing else.
Or your DS girlfriend.
The documentary was one sided, minimising the abuse.
Once again, it's sad that she ended her life.