Celeb Traitors #7: Alan’s End Game.

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Keep on chatting here.

Oh god yeah he had no care as to how he came across at all. I’m glad he didn’t succeed.

Well known comedian and podcaster. He does traitors, taskmaster and his own podcast off menu which is v popular. On a lot of panel shows , been on taskmaster. He’s been on tv a good ten years. I first saw him live about 12 years ago. I think he’s good looking he use to be over weight and talks a lot about his health /weight in his stand up

dont criticise ed gamble
he is great!

I cannot be the only person on Mumsnet that doesn't object to "spoilers".

I'm immune to them because I'm more interested in the "how' and "why" than the "who" or the "" what".

I had to watch the final about 30 mins later than it started and just kept off the phone til then. Really can’t see the problem. Obviously I couldn’t then watch it along with an online community as I sometimes do but it was only a couple of hours of being offline.

I completely agree.

Empire with David Olusoga is on now.
’Erm, you got them all wrong mate!’

The reactions from the murdered and banished contestants.

The No! from pretty much everyone when Nick voted for Joe, and "Jonathan Fucking Ross" punching the air in contrast at around 2 minutes.

I like how Paloma led the standing ovation and shed a tear for Alan after his status reveal.

Claudia also went to Cambridge.

I really don't understand why Nick suddenly changed his mind about Joe. Supposedly it was because Joe voted for Cat, but Nick voted for Cat too! I thought it was Joe and Nick's plan to suck up to the traitors and pretend to be their allies, then "pull the rug out from under them" by voting for them.

And didn't Nick believe for a while that Alan was probably a traitor? Why on earth did he suddenly decide to trust him? I know it's a very difficult game for the faithful, but the last episode was very odd.

Alan was good at deflecting on to others at the round table, but he laughed when he said he was a faithful. Also, as far as we know, the only two who forgot they had shields were Alan and Jonathan.

That's exactly what I thought. No way were the explosive on a timer.

All of it was pyrotechnics (with a bit of cgi wizardry thrown in), like they do in films. And the 'running away' from the train shot was done head-on at a foreshortened angle to make it look like they were a lot closer to the train than they actually were.

It wasn't exactly Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, was it?

When you watch this again, Alan's volte-face over David being a traitor is even more glaring. Why didn't Nick pick up on it (or indeed, David? 😂)

I suppose there is so much tension and (misleading) intuition surpasses reason.
A pp mentioned that Joe hunted out Jonathan who was a traitor and why would he have done that, as a traitor? Another bit of reason Nick missed.

I saw somewhere an obvious deduction that no one made, that it was unlikely that all three traitors were male. Therefore, as no female traitor had been identified, then by deduction, Cat was an obvious traitor.

Did anyone see the creepy looking doll behind Ed in ‘Uncloaked’? Gave me the creeps every time I looked at it.

On The Rest Is Entertainment podcast, Richard Osman said that probably they did know & discuss that, but it just wasn’t included in the edit because it’s not as fun for them to be basing their votes on the background workings like that.

Didn’t David (I think) kind of allude to that when he was talking about the Traitors being diverse… personalities?

Is this being shown in Canada, Australian and NZ at the same time? I keep seeing pp from those countries posting about it on here. Amazing if it is!😁

I think so because somewhere (Canada I think) released it online 24 hrs early and hastily took it down again.

Oh bless you for sharing that clip, made me cry. Was so funny, when Nick voted for Joe and everyone went NO, except JR who was overjoyed. Brilliant telly!😁

But they showed them making that comment on the actual show.

Maybe once as a comment, but not as the definitive “look, we don’t even need to discuss this, there just will have been a woman so it must be Cat” that they were probably thinking/saying. Nick and Joe swung quite quickly and certainly to Cat once Kate was out and revealed as a faithful.
Cat should have tried to keep her in.

Joe apologised to Cat. "Sorry, Cat". Nick interpreted that as one traitor apologising to another.

It was easy for vewers at home to see Joe as being bluff and honest, as we knew he was a faithful. And we also knew that Alan was a traitor.

However, it may have been that for Nick and David, they saw Joe as belligerent, quite aggressive and competitive, and Alan as rather meek and charming and funny. Joe was trying to marshall forces and play the endgame, obviously lied to Alan and Cat, and then switched his vote at the last minute. He also discussed with Nick that they might vote off David.

So Nick thought, is Joe actually behaving like a traitor then?

Of course, we didn't see all the conversations and interactions, either.

The discussions about class are really interesting. I come from a background where my parents were very poor, and I got a scholarship to private school and then to Oxbridge, and then had a professional career.

The traditional way of determining class was by your father's occupation.

But it is more complicated than that. Your background and childhood is very important in how your personality develops. Alongside social class are factors like ethnicity and religion. And then education changes your mindset in all sorts of ways, and certainly affects how you speak and what your preferences are in terms of how you live your life and choose to spend your leisure time, your aspirations etc.

If you start out as working class and then "get yourself an education" as my grandmother put it, then you might end up living most of your life in a very middle class milieu. What class are you then? It's very confusing, not least for the people living it.

if you have spent most of your life as a doctor or a lawyer or a professor, you might feel working class still, you might actually be "educated working class", but other working class people might feel that you have a very different life and outlook to them, and I guess they would also be right.

He was not a nice person. Still my favourite ever Traitors series until this one. I can’t remember watching the Canada one though. Waiting for Irish traitors now.