Celeb Traitors #5: Cloak and Dagger Chat. Trust no one.

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Who will survive another round table and who will be murdered next. Come and chat and speculate here.

I can just imagine his response. " YES CAT I KNOW! THANK YOU"

No idea why women are supposed to pick up after men or mention stuff to them..

Mentioned the fact he had left a glass to him in the morning?? Oh come off it 😂 They’re not in an isolated set like Big Brother, they’re being paid to be on a show that is being filmed with a number of crew like runners, ADs and camera men. It’s not that big of a deal for someone to leave a glass around. Lovely that Cat took hers back to the castle but it really wasn’t the end of the world if a cup got left behind and definitely wasn’t her responsibility to call her it out

This is not a social occasion where you would be being rude to leave your host to deal with glasses left out in the garden at the end of a night! Out of shot, but visible to all the players, there will have been a small army of runners and assistants who have a job on the Celebrity Traitors set precisely to do the catering/set dressing/clearing up/dishwashing. I find it completely mad that people are behaving as if leaving a glass behind on a set is some kind of huge social gaffe or a sign of inherent selfishness!

Well of course he wanted the shield, hell everyone wanted the shield. Still got to ensure his partner didn't want to do the bridge and that he didn't fall off. He's a big man, I was convinced he would fall off the bridge and if he did fall off the bridge then the shield would have stayed where it was. I don't see rigging here but who knows

I didn't think it would be the end of the world. It would just be one less job for a runner or cleaner to do and it would have taken no extra effort from Cat. I've worked in hospitality and f I can make someone else's job a bit easier, I will. It's just a case of being thoughtful.

Did I say it was a huge social gaffe? No. But even those crew and runners are human beings and there's no harm in treating them like people (like the host in your scenarios) too. I'm reminded of some of the kids I taught who'd drop litter and complain if they were told to pick it up, saying that was the cleaner's job.

Why on earth would Cat draw more attention to herself now by ' mentioning' it to Joe?

Cat has got a lot of stick on here for being dull, sly, sneaky, boring but being blamed for not picking up after a man is really beyond belief.

I think the show would’ve sucked if Joe went. It would’ve been quite boring although Alan makes great TV, he would’ve carried the show. The production team definitely know what they’re doing.

It’s not remotely similar. The contestants aren’t party guests or unpleasant children saying it’s the cleaner’s job to deal with their litter. They have been cast in a tv show to play a particular role, which doesn’t involve them bustling about clearing up after themselves. Someone else, standing just out of shot, has a job precisely in order to do that.

Just listened to TRIE. Richard and Marina think there will be some kind of twist in the final episode, just because whilst it would be nice to let it play out - as a producer why wouldn’t you!

They agree Joe M has had “the hero edit” because he is the one who has got the most right throughout the series.

Also look out for Marina’s reaction to a voice note they have received 😜

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-rest-is-entertainment/id1718287198?i=1000734290811

Yes they have to end when it’s only 2 left

Well I am glad they are delaying the final till next Thursday, because if it was on tonight as originally planned, I'd miss it!

I'm not blaming her for not picking up after a man!

i think they still would have murdered Celia due to it being easier for Alan to murder her in plain sight. I can’t imagine Alan saying ‘parting is such sweet sorrow Joe’

I agree-this has really wound me up.

Would people judge Joe if he didn't clear up after Cat??
Or expect him to?

I agree now. It was me (may have been others too) who remarked on David 'turning nasty' at the round table but I had been distracted and when I rewatched it, I could see he was just a bit frustrated at Kate interrupting him so I take that back.

Poor Kate; I too wish she'd stop putting herself down.

The final will be interesting because I think David, who has never been very perceptive, now trusts his perception even less because he's been so wrong.

I want either lovely Nick to win or the traitors.

I'm not mad about Joe. I don't know if he hates women but they certainly seem to be an irrelevance for him.

I wonder if that's how he feels changed, completely feeling he can't trust himself!

I’m with you. I don’t see Joe as being aggressive or bullying. He is a sportsman, so competitive.
I think he has been the best at smoking out the traitors, he’s just struggled to get others to listen to him.
i hope him and Nick win.

Jonathan Ross mentioned Cat and Alan in order to implicate them.

He now says he did it to take the heat off them, which sounds like nonsense because no one would remember that he'd never mentioned them before.

He nearly got to the end by reasoning his way out of his dubious actions, and this is no different.

Anyone taking what he says at face value is as taken in as the faithful were.

I don't see how Joe is any less likable than all the traitors who go on about how clever they are and laugh at the faithful when they obviously have a massive advantage and all the knowledge. It's what usually makes me root for the faithful, traitors acting like they're incredibly clever rather than just having all the advantage.

I wasn't judging either of them, just making an observation. I just found it odd that anyone would pick up one glass instead of two. Why would you pick one up and leave the only other one there if you knew the other person had left?

I'm getting the feeling that a few posters feel like they "should" dislike Joe M because he's an Alpha Male rugby type so they're just searching for things to add to the list. Fine: you don't like him. No he's not a Nick (though Nick seems to like him well enough). But a glass left on the table?

Nick to win for me !

He was ace at the task last night the lasers.

Why do we have to wait a week for the final?

Alan made a huge mistake in murdering Celia.

They should have murdered Nick for 2 reasons:

1. to break up the Joe/Nick alliance
2. for there to be 2 women left

I don't think Celia would have believed Cat was a traitor and instead would have voted for Joe - it would have been just Alan, Cat, Celia & David left - they could have easily banished Celia, saying how great she'd be, and then Alan & Cat would have banished David & split the win!

Yes in the new zealand version( or maybe australia)
A faithful voted for him self-because he was all a dither and didnt know who was who! It was funny