Celeb Traitors #5: Cloak and Dagger Chat. Trust no one.

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Who will survive another round table and who will be murdered next. Come and chat and speculate here.

Looking back, I think Celia and Nick have had the most accurate spots from early on. I was sorry to see Celia go, she was good value in the game.

Yes, I didn't mention the Paloma murder because it was much more difficult for them to work out - though they did have Paloma with them for some time before she was actually deaded, and both she and Ruth witnessed what happened. And, like I said, they've had two other murders from which they could have gained clues but have got nothing from them.

No, because the drawing of order and pairings was random, by Claudia pulling names out of a bag, and the producers weren’t to know that every ‘guide’ who caught the shield bag was going to behave as if they ‘owed’ it to the bridge-walking partner to shield them, like it was some kind of honour system.

Once that had been done by the first ‘catcher’ (who was it? Kate?) then subsequent catchers seemed reluctant to deviate. When of course the ‘catchers’ should have been thinking strategically about who to shield.

In fact it was irrelevant that Joe was shielded, anyway, as there was no murder…? So one assumes it was intended as a bit of an indication as to where everyone’s thinking was on who was Faithful.

I can’t help thinking that if Nick had been the catcher rather than the Walker, he’d have thought more strategically.

Joe's shield did work. Celia was murdered.

The faithfuls would have to be nutty to vote off anyone but Cat first. If they don't, they increase the chances of a traitor win quite substantially.

They will surely suspect that at least one woman was a traitor so Cat should be rumbled.

Alan has already blown his cover, I fear.

If the 2 of them can get Nick on side to vote out Joe next then they have a chance but if they go against each other they are definitely toast I think.

I reckon it’s been a great series, not a big JR fan but he played the game brilliantly, he was hiding in plain sight the whole time 🤣

Agree they should have shown the final tonight!

Getting my days confused!

I still hold to my point, though, that the bridge shield can’t have been rigged to shield Joe, as there was order was random, and the production team weren’t to know that every catcher would shield their Walker.

Think you’re underestimating Nick. He sniffed out Cat sometime ago and Jonathan after her. He knows he has to play his cards close to his chest while trying to get people onside, a difficult balance.
He’s also been great with missions with his cleverness and nimbleness.
Would be a deserved winner.

I wish Kate would stop putting herself down

Cat, Nick and Alan (in that order) have played the best game, but there is no way for all of them to win. David hasn’t been (shown to be) great at reading people, and hopeless at strategic gameplay. Joe is a misogynist who couldn’t contemplate that a woman could be either important enough to be picked as a traitor, or clever enough to pull it off. He has not come out of this as well as it seemed he would at the start.

it would seem obvious to vote Alan off after the round robin ‘I am faithful’ but Nick might overthink it, and try to keep the most obvious traitor for the second round of voting. This might then signal to David that he isn’t to be trusted (huge leap, but David hasn’t been the best at gameplay so far) and so it could all still be up in the air.

it should be a fairly clear faithful win, but it does hinge on the most wavering player jumping the right way at the crucial times

Joe has played a good game. He clearly knows who the two traitors are.

Everybody does/ did except maybe David.

Nick occasionally shows signs of it, but I don’t know why more of the entertainment people aren’t thinking about the traitors with a more ‘production’ head on, in terms of who you would cast to get a spread of ages/personality types, possibly sexes and races, for maximum entertainment. The Faithful know that the remaining traitors are the original cohort (no recruitments) so they are trying to secondguess the decisions of the producers when they cast the traitors, which makes it easier. They know Jonathan was one, so who would you cast alongside him?

I think it wouldn’t have been likely to have chosen an all-male traitor trio for the celebrity version, so there is almost certainly a woman traitor. As no woman traitor has been uncovered, and there’s only one woman left in the game, it’s clearly Cat.

I know the show has been heavily edited, but it would be interesting to know if anyone questioned those sitting directly beside Celia as her murderer, surely someone must’ve wondered about that?
Also, I wonder if anyone has thought to check on the remaining players votes, for percentage accuracy. David must be a zero so far. Someone, whether traitor or faithful (hopefully faithful) needs to gently suggest to him that his guesses haven’t been great and use that to try to rope him on side.

How have you come up with Joe being a misogynist. That seems like quite the leap 😳

I did wonder if the Palace has been watching and it prompted Andrew's banishment.

I didn't think David was nasty to Kate around the round table, just forensic in his questioning style whereas Kate is emotional. Doesn't matter though because they've both been hopeless at the game 😀. I wonder if David has learned that he can't trust his reasoning skills? I think I would if I was in there.

This is a fair point.

Also it’s not impossible that there had been a trio of male traitors but it is very unlikely. Alan and Cat really should have pushed for David to get banished yesterday. That would have left Cat and Kate as the possible female traitors and at the very least Kate would have been easier to turn against Joe and Nick

Re Joe getting the shield… I would argue nothing is random in pre-recorded television. The producers know everything.

Yep.

I don't see how it can be rigged for Joe to get a shield. It depended on him being drawn last, his partner (who I forget who it was) not going across the bridge and then his partner giving him the shield. Too many variables. I was surprised Joe went across the bridge, he's a big man and I was convinced he wouldn't make it

Agreed.

And yes, technically absolutely possible for there to have been an all-male traitor trio, and there’s been a single-sex original trio (I think?) in one of the UK seasons, but all women in that case? — I just don’t think the production team would have done that for a high-profile new celebrity traitors experiment where the ‘celebrity power’ of the male contestants significantly (in my view, anyway) eclipsed that of the women.

And for the same reason that they wouldn’t have made JR and SF both traitors.

I get the impression that the S3 all female traitors line up was in response to the male domination of S2.

I don’t want to spoil it for anyone who hasn’t watched it yet, but Claudia’s reaction when they recruited another man was priceless!

He saw that the walkers were being given shields by their guides. He wanted the shield.

OK, but even assuming Claudia’s namedrawing was rigged, so the production team knew the pairings and order, they can’t have known who would walk and who would catch, or that every catcher would choose to shield their Walker.

Or are you suggesting the producers told the contestants which role to take and that they had to choose their own partner to shield?

The latter seems very unlikely to me, as it made for duller TV. I imagine the producers were anticipating much more strategic thinking or public crises as the catchers had to decide who to shield.

I agree that Joe was at fault. But if I'd been Cat, I would have picked up both glasses (instead of leaving one for someone else to have to deal with) and maybe mentioned it to Joe in the morning. Or could somebody have called him back when he left without it? 'Hey, Joe - you've forgotten your glass!'