Celeb Traitors #5: Cloak and Dagger Chat. Trust no one.

[CarefulN0w]

Who will survive another round table and who will be murdered next. Come and chat and speculate here.

On David's "Journey Through The Past" podcast he does a series on the history of reality TV, with some reference to his own experience - it's pretty interesting.

i dont think Joe will be able to play the game, he already made a comment about Alan

Yes! Thank goodness for some (if not all) critical thinking in there). It’s been said many times on here during previous series that it’s a shame they don’t have smarter people, but if you show you’re smart you just get voted out anyway.

I agree with op, I hope this doesn’t descend into the next haven for all and sundry ‘influencers’.

I’m team Nick and Joe. I think the best thing they can do is keep Alan and Cat close, especially Cat. Vote out David at the round table because he’s the loose canon. Posssibly bring Cat in on the plan to vote out David. Then at the end game, go for Alan. And finally do a last minute vote out Cat.

Keeping David until the end is risky, plus Joe and Nick are the most obvious ones for Cat and Alan to vote for next (perhaps too obvious though).

Alan going next could still allow things to work for Joe and Nick.

I’m obviously team Joe and Nick. I don’t like some of the things Joe has said, but he’s playing the game well (like Harry who I couldn’t stand). No concern from me if Alan wins, but I’m always on the side of the faithful because they have to work so much harder.

I think David might get to the end.

If he grasped that Joe and Nick are correct then they could just vote out Cat and Alan, but he either doesn’t see it or won’t be drawn into an alliance. I think he doesn’t see it, actually.

Cat should vote for Alan, but given that their cover is blown, they might be safer sticking together with everyone knowing they are traitors. Their survival then depends on David voting for Joe or Nick, which is highly likely.

That man really does hold all the cards.

My prediction.

If either Joe or Nick goes first at the round table by pointing out that Alan couldn't say "I am a faithful" with a straight face, to put heat on Alan, then that should be Alan voted out. I can't see Alan getting out of this one.

Cat will be banished next, unless David is swayed by hr trying to convince him it's the other two.

When it's Joe, Nick and David left. I think they should banish David as I don't think he deserves to win.

I wouldn't mind if the traitors won. Basically, anyone but David!

The game ends when the players agree, so I think it will be individualistic, as it always has been, in the end. I agree David will go next, but Nick needs to trust Joe enough not to banish him and to stick with voting Cat and Alan off.

Funnily I’d like Alan to win but I can’t see that happening now.

I feel Joe deserves to win, he’s been an excellent Faithful.

'David said he’d learned a lot about himself. Intrigued to know what.'

Yes, he said that he feels he has been changed by taking part in the show. I was dying for someone else to ask him for more details

Yes I’d expect anyone, of any sex, to grab a forgotten wine glass and bring it in with theirs if they had an empty hand personally. Unless the bar was right there with staff clearing tables.

I think Joe is bossy and could have easily been set up as a fake traitor if the traitors had been on the ball. If they had spread rumours that Joe was always trying to control other people’s votes they might have fragmented his little groups. But it’s probably too late. Nick just seems to do as he’s told.
I don’t understand why alan giggled at that crucial point. We have seen that his nerves are pretty much an act and he is quite capable of lying. He threw himself under the bus.!

Let’s not have a go at Joe for leaving his glass, let’s have a go at Cat instead for not picking up after him 😂

It's probably not the reason why, but I can see why people might be nervous about handling glassware on that show. Even if it's too late if you've been murdered, it might turn out to be a setup to make you look suspicious.

I could not deal with the paranoia!

YES THANK YOU, CLAUDIA!
STOP SHOUTING!
OPEN YOUR LUGHOLE!

Hope if Joe wins, he is less grumpy.
I am hoping Alan wins, if not Cat, but they won't because they murdered Lucy instead of Nick. Fatal mistake. Joe would not have allied with Lucy. He doesn't like women.

They’re on a reality tv show, surrounded by runners and production staff, part of whose job is set dressing, clearing, and washing up! The contestants eat a minimum of two meals a day at the castle, and aren’t bustling around stacking plates with their Marigolds on afterwards, because that isn’t their job, any more than I would break off giving a lecture to nip out to wash my coffee mug.

It’s like GBBO — where there’s an entire team of people washing up in another tent (by hand, because dishwashers are too noisy when filming, apparently), because it’s not the bakers’ job.

I'd like either Alan and Cat to win together or the faithfuls to win.

Don't understand all the Joe hate on here - accusations of him being a bully and aggressive due to behaviour also displayed by others or simply because he was playing the game properly, but also having fun.

I knew watching the laser task there would be posters from here tieing themselves in knots about how horrible he was that he got irritated that as he was already struggling due to his size he had multiple people shouting different things at him, rather than just one voice help as all the others had got.

It all hinges on David and his mellifluous voice now. Nick is in witj Joe, so if David goes with Joe's theory then there will be a three faithful win. If he goes with Alan and Cat, it'll be a Traitor win.

For what it's worth, Celia identified all three at different times. It was a pity no-one followed her till they finally clocked on to Jonathan.

What happens if Nick and Joe are the 2 left at the end, then Nick has a wobble and suspects Joe? How do they end the game? Or would they have to end it once they are down to two players?

Yes Celia was on to them all. It’s such a fine balance - between voicing your opinions to get the traitors voted out but at the same time not so much that they turn on you and murder you.

Hence why Nick has probably played the best game. He has been suspicious about a few of them for a while but he’s playing the ‘keep the traitors close then by the end they’ll start to reveal themselves’. Then all he has to do is keep the faithfuls on his side and they turn on them. He has Joe all he needs is David.

Celia was a little unlucky to be voted out but she was arguable slightly more vocal than Nick. I think the Traitors will push the narrative that Joe and David are the traitors. Which is why they weren’t murdered. But this could have been a big error as now we have no women in that group.

It will end if Joe and Nick are left, and at that point they reveal whether they're faithful or traitor.

If traitors are left, they vote to steal or share.

It's not particularly delayed - it's been Wednesday and Thursday each week, so in effect it's only delayed one day.

I think they've always had the round robin just before the final, it would be a bit pointless before that.

This lot are so crap at working out murders in plain sight that it was pretty fair to impose another. They none of them seem to try to make use of them effectively. It could have been helpful, for instance, to get everyone at the chess board to describe what Claudia was wearing on the basis that if any of the murder candidates were traitors they may not have seen her. They could also have worked out that the dinner was the thing to concentrate on for Celia's murder, because there was a good chance by then that the producer would have wanted them all to see it happen.

I don't think anyone from this series can be considered greatest traitor hunter of all time, given they took such ages to find one traitor, who promptly hinted at the other two.

Not true, Paloma’s murder in plain sight was when it was just herself and Alan. The murders seem incredibly obvious to us as an audience, but if you were there, if done well it’s so subtle you’d literally be racking your brain thinking it could be anything

@Holluschickie JR only said that to try and through people off Cat and Alan. Also people were starting to suspect them before he had said anything anyway

I wish they had the final on Hallowe'en night - it would be perfect!

It has been a great series, so much fun.

I would agree in real world but in Traitors, picking up the wrong object, drinking the wrong drink etc can be fatal so in the game I would be reluctant.

I think Alan deserves to win for the most value add through the series. I also like Nick a lot - he has had more original ideas and accurate suggestions than the others (ditto Celia but she has gone), even though others trumpet them and take the credit.

Joe spotting Alan and Cat isn’t a massive achievement when the odds are 50/50 and even then he has picked those ideas from others. He does this a lot - echoes what someone else is saying as if its original to him and because he does it so loudly it seems to come from. him. His track record is still poor - he has strongly pushed for several faithfuls to be banished. I don’t think he has had an original thought on the traitors but was very quick to latch onto Nick who was spotting more accurately (except for Lucy!).

I’d be happy for Nick (my fave left in the game) and Alan (best contributor left in the game) to share the prize but that is not possible. Its all going to come down to David and whether he backs Nick/Joe or Alan/Cat. Whoever he backs I think they will banish him when its down to the last tow.