The Traitors #11 ENDGAME

[witchycat2]

Carry on!

Remember when some of them lost their shit because Freddie rightly pointed out they were in a clique 🤣
Theres been some iconic moments. Frankie in her snakeskin sling backs. Alexander’s singing. Claudia’s like a PONY. Linda’s “You don’t have to be a sailor to know how to tie a know. SORRY” 😂 my favourite is probably the Harold Shipman moment because it offended so many of them

Exactly. Minah was the most deserving player (aside from the lovely Alexander) and the first Traitor I’ve really rooted for.

I’m disappointed with the outcome but I’m not surprised!
There’s just something unfair about Leanne winning - she did not come across well and was so mean whenever anyone challenged her - even in the final when Alexander wrote her name on the board- they all had to write a name and she had written his! Maybe it was just the edit - but I don’t think the producers would want one of their winners to be perceived as nasty - they’d want to edit them to look nicer or at least have some sort of redemption arc.

Charlotte played a cunning game but I felt some of her actions were uncalled for. There was no need to warn the others “Don’t trust that woman” in regard to Frankie once Charlotte had already been banished. If she was really her friend she would be wanting her to win, not throw her under the bus unnecessarily and maliciously!

Thank you @witchycat2 for all these threads! I’ve really enjoyed watching along and theorising with you all!

I agree it was very mean @JandamiHash & ensured that Frankie was banished & didn't see any of the prize money. Until then, she might have gotten away with it!

She is an officer not a squady. As the maths says she joined up 16 it is likely that she went straight from school to officer training. But as an attractive lesbian who isn't from a posh back ground that was probably a very tough path. Some of DHs officers are lovely, other not so much.

Strewth. Well that's me not watching it then.

I think the thing that came out of this the most clearly, was that being the Seer is the kiss of death and they will have to rethink it if they go to a S4.

The build up to the Seer thing was all Claudia saying "one of you is going to win this amazing power' an they all really wanted it, but it was clear early on, that being the Seer is always going to throw you into the spotlight and draw suspicion around you. It would have been far better for the Seer to be selected anonymously and ask Claudia about the identity of one player, and then work with that. It was obvious from breakfast that Frankie and Charlotte would have to go before anyone felt comfortable about finishing the game.

I was happy for Jake to win. I found him affable and he was the best by far. He did well in the challenges and at the Round Table. I actually think he deserved it the most.

Well it was good of Frankie to finally confirm who she looks like by turning up to Unlocked dressed as Belle 🌹☕🫖🥀

Loved another poster’s comment that Claudia gets them through winter 😃
Claudia is my antidote to all the bloody awful men running ( and wrecking) the world at the moment.

my favourite is probably the Harold Shipman moment because it offended so many of them

when the doctor by day etc comment was made I said to DH they are calling him bloody Shipman now. The fact they were offended when Kaz (?) said the same was 😮. He should be the one offended!

According to Richard Osman on The Rest Is Entertainment podcast, it’s a type of powder used by every tv hair and makeup person to mask thinning hair.

Not seeing the Macron resemblance, but it made me laugh.😀

I think it was pretty much set up for Leanne to win from last week. She didn’t deserve it and was a complete spoiled brat in her play. The Alexander/Leanne vote tonight being a case in point. He accepts the vote politely, she rolls her eyes and says, “Of course” because Heaven Forbid anyone thinks Leanne is a Traitor. I’m so pissed off she won.

I think doing the live show with an audience is just a lot more to think about than doing the version with fewer people in the room. When he cut her off, he probably had someone in his ear telling him it was running over and he had to wrap it up there and then.

I came out at 80 something per cent traitor on the quiz thing but it didn't ask they very important question "you have just arrived a castle, looking around you discover a large well stocked library do you

A) walk straight out you are only interested in finding the bar and a goblet of fizzy rosé.

B) think this this would be a good place for a confidential chat later in the series, the seats look comfy.

C) browse the shelves and pull out an interesting looking volume or two so you are voted out immediately for the 'traitor behaviour' of looking at a book.

D) grab an armfull of books, hop on to the window seat, pull the curtains in front of you and hope no one bothers to do a head count so you can stay there for 3 weeks solid grabbing the odd left over pastry and slice of water melon while everyone else is out and about in the rain impersonating creepy dolls?

I'm D all the way.

It made me laugh how offended Alex seemed by that when he wasn’t even one of them really gunning for Kas. It really was the obvious insinuation though!

I figured out who Frankie reminds me of
Haydyn Gwynne

In defense of Leanne...

I also thought she picked on Alexander unfairly and had an irrational dislike of him, but after watching them on Uncloaked I realised that:
A) they had a friendly relationship outside of the game related activities (which is only a part of their day and we see a small percentage of their interactions), Claudia saying she hugged him after every round table, etc.

B) he was convinced she was a traitor and probably went after her harder than we were shown. She got three votes at the round table when Linda was banished (more than Alexander ever got at any single round table until the final) and one was from him. If it hadn't been for Linda's time finally being up, she probably would've been in trouble. If she felt Alexander was instigating it, I can see why she'd be exasperated and suspicious of him. Not saying he harassed her or justifying her overreactions, but it adds context to some of her comments ("of course" when he wrote down her name, etc)

It's unfortunate for Alexander that he had to rely on Frankie who was the token useless faithful that gets dragged up to the final. I thought it would've been better for him to give his coins to Leanne as the one who doubted him the most, and challenged her to pick him, but that was before I knew how suspicious he was of her. Unfortunately, Frankie's gameplay was awful right up to the end, she didn't have the sense to form an alliance with him, which sealed both of their fates.

Minah had the right idea about the traitors needing to play as a team, especially now there are blind banishments in the final. Hopefully future traitors wise up to it and we see less recruiting for bait like poor Freddie.

also disappointed with the ending, except Jake who did deserve to win

he has the measure
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I disagree, Frankie just handled it so badly after accidentally finding a traitor.

All she had to say was the seer doesn't reveal her identity to the other person so if she was the traitor she would have no reason to tell Charlotte that. Frankie acted more guilty than Charlotte, with all her secret trust me whispering to Leanne.

If Alexander hadn't helped Frankie then Leanne would most probably have won it, and may have chosen Alexander as they had such a love/hate relationship

Leanne was not an officer in the Army, she’s posted photos all over the place as a private, RLC.

You do not join the officer training path at 16, you need to have finished school with pretty decent A levels to get onto the officer training programme.

I felt sorry for Frankie (I felt sorry for all the players at some point!) but, purely in terms of gameplay, she didn't do well in the end, bless her. Namely that, with some reflection, it should have been so obvious that Alexander was a faithful. A traitor simply wouldn't have gone to all that effort, with the coins and the appeal to be picked. Once Charlotte was revealed to be a traitor, that should have been even more clear. In that sense, purely on gameplay terms, she didn't deserve to win. But, I still had loads of sympathy for her, and the tricky position she'd been put in. Poor Alexander meant so well by giving her his coins, and it went very pear-shaped. Good intentions...

I think, looking back, you can see she didn’t hate Alexander. The moment he fell in the bush that we all laughed at was during a game of badminton with Leanne. She was interacting with him in a really normal and friendly way throughout the whole thing. She didn’t trust that he was a faithful, and vice versa, but I don’t see any reason to doubt that they were lying about getting on.

She didn’t always come across the best but I never felt she was an awful person. Her fellow contestants all seem to like her and it isn’t unusual for faithfuls to get either defensive or tearful at being accused. Leanne was a defensive type rather than a crying type. It’s fine to dislike the way people play the game but I ended up liking Leanne more just because of how much some comments felt like crossing the line into bullying while, ironically, accusing Leanne of being a bully.