Appreciation For The 1990s Pride And Prejudice

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It's never been equalled as novel adaptations go!! Everyone is perfect !

Lady Catherine would never have used such appalling grammar! 😂

Thanks for that - I was floundering about a bit. Have now found his whole series on Tiktok xxxx

I'll add my adoration of the Amanda Root Persuasion too, it's absolute perfection.

I loved the 1940s film, but maybe that’s just because it’s the first version I saw of it – before that I thought it was a fusty old book and I laughed my head off at the movie. But the 1995 version is the GOAT even though I’m in the small not fan of Alison Steadman camp. rewatch it with teenage Ds during the winter lockdown, that was one of the (few) highlights.

"If I had ever learnt, I should have been a great proficient. And so would Anne, if her health had allowed her to apply. I am confident that she would have performed delightfully.............................." Can't you just hear Lady C's voice saying it?

Dear Miss Austen, did you really start a sentence with 'and'? In the 20th century I was taught that I ought not to do that.

Late to the thread but see I have some friends here. Like pp I was a teen when I first fell in love with Elizabeth and later Darcy, and they helped me through labor. I can quote from book and adaptation. I did not like the 2005 film. But LOVE the Amanda Root persuasion. Did not like Billy Piper as Fanny in 2007 didn't mind the Persuasion one as I had a crush on Rupert Penry-Jones and quite liked the Northanger Abby one as I don't think there are as many of those and I like the book.

The full Jane Austen collection is definitely my desert island book choice.

I used to love walking around in my Follies and Nonsenses, whims and inconsistencies T-shirt at university and have even added some FF to Bits of Ivory back in the day.

You are my people!

That’s the point - Lady Catherine IIRC didn’t come from some posho family and it shows in her manner.

OK I need to know more about your labour! Did your OH dress as a wet Colin Firth as say in an awkward manner “And your parents are in good health?” ten times as you pushed?

Lady Catherine definitely came from a posh family, her father was an earl. You can begin a sentence any way you like if it's dialogue though, surely?

You can begin a sentence any way you like if it's dialogue though, surely?

If it would be in character for the person to speak in that way. PP was making the point that Lady C. should know better.

Miss Austen

I once saw someone pointing out that Cassandra was Miss Austen. Jane would be Miss Jane. But I suppose when discussing her work, we assume that Cassandra isn't there, so Jane becomes Miss Austen, as Elizabeth is Miss Bennet when Jane isn't there.

I would have to read the book again it I thought Lady C “married up” and it explains why she’s uncouth and a bit rough round the edges. A bit of a modern day equivalent of a porn star marrying a member of the aristocracy 😂

No, she married down.

But aristocratic women were often poorly educated compared to their male counterparts.

I’m perhaps getting mixed up with Mrs Bennet, who Mr B married because she was pretty and didn’t take into a count having a wife who was a bit dim would be a problem 😂

Nothing so exciting I'm afraid. It just went on for days and days before forceful eviction during which time I would certainly have gone mad and damaged my DH had Darcy not been there to distract me.

Yes, Mrs Bennet married up. Lady Catherine didn’t. She was Mr Darcy’s mother’s sister iirc. They were definitely not the modern day equivalent of porn stars!

They were Lady Catherine Fitzwilliam and Lady Anne Fitzwilliam, I think. Lady Anne married plain Mr Darcy, and Lady C must have married Mr de Bourgh, otherwise she would have been known by his title - Lady de Bourgh or whatever - rather than her own.

Jane Austen didn't have much time for titled people who had nothing but their titles to recommend them - see Sir Walter Elliot and Lady Carteret in Persuasion.

I thought Lady Catherine was married to Sir Lewis de Bourgh. So titled unlike her sister Anne's Mr. Darcy. But not from such a high ranking family their brother was Colonel Fitzwilliam's father, and he was the younger son of an Earl. If I remember correctly. So she married down, but not that far!

Did I really just see that there is a P and P 2 coming out this year, Keira Knightley and Matthew McFayden, just why?

Has anyone seen Pride and Prejudice (Sort of) the show touring at the moment, where the maids tell the story? Hilarious. Brilliant for any laid back fans of P&P not so great if you are a purist or dislike sweary language.

Pride & Prejudice (sort of) | Pride & Prejudice (sort of)

No I don't think it's a sequel. Netflix are doing a new adaptation apparently

Yes Mrs Bennet married up - daughter of a tradesman (solicitor) marrying into the gentry

Lady Catherine married down - she was the daughter of an Earl but her husband was Sir Lewis de Bourgh (it's not specified whether he was a Baronet or a Knight) a lower level of nobility. Lady C's daughter has no courtesy title and is simply Miss Anne de Bourgh.

A friend of mine went to see Austentatious - a comedy Jane Austen improvisation show where the audience steer the action. She absolutely loved it. I think they are touring at the moment

https://www.austentatiousimpro.com/

I saw this - fab. Hit with my teenagers as well

Yes - Sir Lewis must have been a Baronet or a Knight - both several rungs lower than an Earl

I think that Colonel Fitzwilliam, as the younger son of an Earl, would probably have been entitled to the courtesy title of “Honorable”. So he would, in formal circumstances, been addressed as “Colonel the Honorable (First Name) Fitzwilliam" - if I have got it the right way round.

I don’t think we can conclude anything about her education in an academic sense from her starting a spoken sentence with ‘And!’

However, it is slightly odd that she’s never learned to play the piano, which was pretty much a de rigeur accomplishment. Unless she’d played another instrument, like the harp, as dastardly Mary Crawford did in Mansfield Park. Or unless the Fitzwilliam sisters were considered to be such a catch they were thought not to need accomplishments. Though her sister marries an untitled man, and Lady C also marries down.