Appreciation For The 1990s Pride And Prejudice

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It's never been equalled as novel adaptations go!! Everyone is perfect !

and i like Clueless, an Emma loosely based

What the ACTUAL FUCK were they thinking.

It looks like my hair after I haven’t blow dried it. Even Ewan himself has gone on the record about how bad it is. Men of that era did not have this hair. It makes me wonder what the man did to piss of the wardrobe staff

After watching Clueless I reread Emma
and its actually a belting adaptation

😂 oh I completely agree and with everything else you said. It actually particularly bugs me when hairstyles are wrong in any period drama, Inspector George gently is one such example, he would not have had that hair!

I know it was only meant for fun, but Bridgerton nearly put me in a coma I was so mad with the inaccuracy!!!! 😂

Interestingly I’d love to know everyone’s thoughts on Sanditon the unfinished Jane Austin book, I enjoyed it but thought it took some huge liberties with the reality of the time period, I know there wasn’t much to go on and others have tried to conceive where Austin would have taken it, but that too became very ‘Bridgerton’ as it went on, but it was actually quite sweet and enjoyable.

I watched this short documentary on iplayer earlier today - Andrew Davies Remembers P&P. Bit light on detail but some nice annecdotes

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001tvcy/andrew-davies-remembers-pride-and-prejudice

The 1995 is so good because the writer, Andrew Davies, loved P&P and understood it. The other versions leave so much out and destroy the very essence of the book.

I know the 2005 version was rubbish but am I misremembering the bit where Elizabeth is discovered by Darcy and Georgiana and goes running out in embarrassment. Have her aunt and uncle really left her and gone home?

He was, but then Brandon is objectively creepy. A 35 year old man falling for a 17 year old he’s never actually had a conversation with because she reminds him of his seduced and ruined first love. And the 17 year old thinking he’s a flannel-waist coated old fuddy-duddy until she’s mistreated by Willoughby and nearly dies and think ‘Oh, well, he’s safe’.

Though some critics think that the younger Eliza, the ‘ward’ seduced and abandoned by Willoughby, was actually Brandon’s daughter, and that Brandon was imprisoned and forcibly circumcised after a defeat by Tipu Sultan in India. Other people point out that he’s the only one who knows Willoughby is dangerous, but doesn’t warn Marianne, only bobbing up with the story of evil Willoughby after he’s publicly humiliated her and left her for an heiress…

I love the 1995 P&P adaptation!
It's been one of the highlights of my time as a mother to get my DD (10) to watch it & love it too!
Today I wore a new T-shirt I got for Christmas which says 'Obstinate, headstrong girl!' & I can only hear it in my head as Lady Catherine de Bourgh.

The bit where the Gardiners seemingly disappear and abandon Lizzy at Pemberley makes no sense

Clueless is definitely deserving of a spot in the Top 5 Austen adaptations!

I won't hear a word against Alan Rickman, but agree that Colonel Brandon was a creepy character!

I know it was only meant for fun, but Bridgerton nearly put me in a coma I was so mad with the inaccuracy!!!! 😂
Bridgerton is set in an alternate history where multiple BME families have been given titles as a social experiment. I think it's reasonable to accept that hairstyles might also be very different from what 8s historically accurate too!

Yeah I think you may have read a bit much into my statement there, I did acknowledge it was all for fun, a sort of fantasy romp, I never took it that seriously, my comment was meant humorously!

Love the 1995 adaption it is perfection, it’s like my comfort blanket. When she looks back at him from the carriage 😍😍

Looks like the Artful Dodger won the lottery.

You would be smug too if you were shagging Colin firth between takes! 😂
I think Alison Bennet nailed it, selfish, vapid, immature, insensitive and yes shrill, very shrill. People sometimes say that Mrs Bennet was sensible to be worried about her daughter's future but all of the family were mindful of the entail in their own way. If she actually had any sense she would have altered her spending habits to save towards an uncertain future, and encouraged her daughters in their accomplishments (and the younger ones in their manners), and acted with a bit more decorum around men like Bingley and Darcy.

The Ciaran Hinds/Amanda Root version of Persuasion is up there also.

This probably isn't the thread to post this opinion but, much as I love P and P, that adaptation beats any of the tv or film versions of P and P.

I vaguely remember reading somewhere that Persuasion was Jane Austen's favourite out of her own novels.

'Eligible ' by Curtis sittenfield is a great updated version of p&p set in , if I remember correctly, Minnesota

We shall draw a veil over the recent, Dakota Johnson version of Persuasion shudders

Clueless is a work of art and quite possibly my favourite film.

Alicia Silverstone doing a lip-sync battle dressed as Cher

xmascrackerr, comfort blanket is a good description. I love the scene when she is helping turn pages at the piano for Darcy's sister.

Deadringer · Today 15:40 - People sometimes say that Mrs Bennet was sensible to be worried about her daughter's future but all of the family were mindful of the entail in their own way. If she actually had any sense she would have altered her spending habits to save towards an uncertain future, and encouraged her daughters in their accomplishments (and the younger ones in their manners), and acted with a bit more decorum around men like Bingley and Darcy.

Exactly - if they had cut down their own spending e.g Mrs Bennet on fripperies/ entertaining and Mr Bennet on Port and books ( new books were considered a luxury in the early 19th Century - P&P cost 18 shillings when it came out or about £100 in today's money). Neither Bennet was really prepared to go without their own indulgencies to put away money for their daughters. The main strategy seemed to be to marry the first rich man or heir to Longbourn to secure the future.

Then there is the issue of Mrs Bennet's own dowry - the £5,000 the daughters would share on her death. This would have generated about £200-250 a year in interest at 4-5%. If they had started saving this money for the 22 years since Jane was born there would have been £8,000-10,000 saved towards doweries and supporting Mrs Bennet as a widow.

There was also the problem of having five daughters out at once. In most Regency households Kitty and Lydia would not be out. The expense of fitting out 5 with ballgowns, evening gowns, dancing slippers etc plus the cost of admission to assemblies - the money would have been better spent employing a governess to educate the girls and teach them accomplishments - a governess would only cost around £20-40 per year + board. Unfortunately I don't think Mrs Bennet really understood the intricacies of marriage among the gentry as she was herself from trade.

I had never heard of Bingleyteas before - just watched one episode - hilarious! I will book mark it and watch them all. Thanks for the recommendation!

@BasilParsley it's amazing his expressions are amazing! However the account I mentioned is not his official insta it's somebenfen he has done pretty much every scene from P&P! Enjoy! 😊

If they had started saving this money for the 22 years since Jane was born there would have been £8,000-10,000 saved towards doweries and supporting Mrs Bennet as a widow.

IIRC Jane Austen said they didn't save, because they were sure there would be a son who would join with Mr Bennet in breakng the entail (although Mr B and the son would both have to survive until the son was 21 to do that).

the money would have been better spent employing a governess to educate the girls and teach them accomplishments - a governess would only cost around £20-40 per year + board.

Elizabeth said they had all the masters they wanted - that would be visiting masters who taught subjects such as music, French, drawing. Elizabeth and Mary both play the piano, so Jane probably learned too. And they had access to their father's library, of course.

Governesses did come cheap, but a cheap governess might not be very well educated herself, or capable of disciplining Kitty and Lydia. And a well educated governess could get a better post.

I suppose Mr Gardiner would have helped if he could after Mr Bennet's death, but he had his own young children to provide for. The Gardiners might have taken on Jane as a governess, perhaps, so she'd be housed and fed.