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Jilly’s Rivals, where we discuss the ending of episode 8 SO obviously there are SPOILERS

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TheSecondMrsCampbellBlack · 22/10/2024 22:15

Omg

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HerculesMulligannn · 12/11/2024 10:03

Hmm. They could just have cut out Rupert’s children. They are not integral to the plot (they don’t like Cameron but do like Taggie, but that’s about it). It’s easiest to cut out something self contained and the children could easily just be referenced but not seen. And if the script writers have decided to cut out Billy and Janey, they seem ok with not being slavish to the book as written.

HarrietBond · 12/11/2024 11:14

I really don’t think they’ve secretly filmed more. This production was expensive. It’s landed brilliantly but there were no guarantees. It could have come across as far too niche for an international audience. And there was a lot of attention paid to the shoot. It would have taken a lot longer than another 2-3 weeks to film the same again, and no way would it not have leaked.

HerculesMulligannn · 12/11/2024 11:52

But it’s just such a bonkers and illogical place to leave it. And moreover it’s really odd to make a big investment but then not fully back that investment. Plus their statements have been a bit coy - possibly the reason they haven’t come out and said definitively that they are going to film the second half is because they already have!

chollysawcutt · 12/11/2024 14:09

Do you think they have jumped the gun a bit in this series with Rupert and Taggie mooning over each other in the kitchen?

Rupert can't have anything further to do with Cameron, because I don't think Taggie, (even though she is officially an Angel), could come back from that, now they have declared they cannot breathe without each other.

I feel like they shoe-horned that in to resolve the will-they-won't they, in this series. So that's kind of done for series 2?

(I would love a series 2 though!)

drwitch · 12/11/2024 15:24

In the book they are about to kiss
"you make my happy said" taggie gruffly "I'd like to try angel " said Rupert... and then Sarah S bursts in in tears because Tony has told James to be more like a husband to Lizzie

drwitch · 12/11/2024 15:25

then she freaks out Rupert by saying that Rupert and Taggie will be like Sarah and Paul in a few years

HarrietBond · 12/11/2024 15:26

I think it's easily moved on to series 2. This is just a false start if needed. It's cleverly done as it COULD have been the end if not recommissioned.

MagAmberson · 12/11/2024 18:24

I've just finished Riders and Rivals, I was surprised the final scene wasn't in the book but I suspect if there's a second series it will have Rupert returning to Penscombe only to find a distraught Cameron waiting for him and he'll feel guilty that she had a huge fight (maybe she thinks she's killed Tony) all because she fell in love with Rupert. So Taggie will be left hanging, wondering did she just misunderstand the kiss etc.

Also is Polo worth reading? Do Rupert, Taggie appear or are they peripheral characters?

I reallly need a second series, I don't think anything has been filmed. If they started shooting next summer it's not a huge break in filming although it would mean a long wait for viewers. The second series of Wolf Hall started on the BBC last Sunday and there was a pretty long gap since they filmed the first!

HarrietBond · 12/11/2024 18:36

Rupert and Taggie reappear.

LittleBearPad · 12/11/2024 22:22

MagAmberson · 12/11/2024 18:24

I've just finished Riders and Rivals, I was surprised the final scene wasn't in the book but I suspect if there's a second series it will have Rupert returning to Penscombe only to find a distraught Cameron waiting for him and he'll feel guilty that she had a huge fight (maybe she thinks she's killed Tony) all because she fell in love with Rupert. So Taggie will be left hanging, wondering did she just misunderstand the kiss etc.

Also is Polo worth reading? Do Rupert, Taggie appear or are they peripheral characters?

I reallly need a second series, I don't think anything has been filmed. If they started shooting next summer it's not a huge break in filming although it would mean a long wait for viewers. The second series of Wolf Hall started on the BBC last Sunday and there was a pretty long gap since they filmed the first!

Polo’s great. Rivals and Polo are my favourites by a long way. After about Pandora I’d treat them with a bit more scepticism.

XelaM · 13/11/2024 22:40

Not read the whole thread or the book, but I hope Tony isn't dead 😵 Is he? He's my favourite character!

Also am I the only one who can't stand Taggie with Rupert? She's too boring 😴 I wish he ended up with someone else. I also hate that Tony seems to have lost even if he is alive 😞

XelaM · 13/11/2024 22:45

What is the dirt that Declan had on Rupert?

TheSecondMrsCampbellBlack · 14/11/2024 10:08

XelaM · 13/11/2024 22:45

What is the dirt that Declan had on Rupert?

@XelaM - We don't know if Tony is dead, he definitely isn't in the books. I'm thinking surely not.

Re the dirt that Declan has on Rupert, Declan throws a piece of paper in the fire with the word "Perdita" on it. Perdita is the name of an important character in Polo - her mother is Daisy McLeod, who is married to a horrible man called Hamish McLeod. Daisy has 2 younger biological children with Hamish but always told Perdita her father was dead.

SPOILERS AHEAD FOR ANYONE WHO HASN'T READ POLO and wants to!!

Perdita is blonde, arrogant and a fantastic horsewoman. It turns out that some "disgusting old goat" of an art teacher used to hold orgies in the 60s and that Daisy had attended one of them and Rupert and Billy were there. Rupert shagged Daisy and Perdita was the result, but because Daisy had shagged several men that night she'd never told him and she couldn't be sure.

In Polo, The Scorpion finds out and outs Perdita as Rupert's daughter after one of their journos (probably Beattie Johnson) approaches the old teacher (Jackie someone) and finds he's kept his diaries of the time so he tells them that Rupert was there and so was Daisy and bingo, they work it out, especially because Perdita has Rupert's blue eyes, blonde hair and outstanding horsemanship.

Perdita is a complete brat when it comes out (perhaps understandably), calls her mother a horrible old slag and doesn't speak to her for ages. Rupert eventually acknowledges Perdita. But at the time of Rivals Perdita would have existed but be a child I'd have thought. The novels aren't strictly chronological. And Perdita means "lost one" - presumably named because Daisy wasn't entirely sure of her father.

Daisy is a beautiful but scruffy painter who has an ill advised affaire with Drew Benedict, a married Polo player (urgh!) but eventually realises she's in love with Ricky France-Lynch and marries him, becoming Daisy France-Lynch.

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TheSecondMrsCampbellBlack · 14/11/2024 10:10

And fuck me, don't I know a lot about Jilly novels?! 😂

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TheSecondMrsCampbellBlack · 14/11/2024 10:10

And fuck me, don't I know a lot about Jilly novels?! 😂

You do and I love it! I watched the series with DH and spent the whole time buting my tongue from saying 'that bit's verbatim from the book' or 'they changed Sherlock Lovely Homes to Sherlock Ideal Homes there but that makes sense anyway' etc.

Also just to add for the second half of the book - don't forget the Hunt Ball with Taggie's B-A-Lmain dress and Rupert shattering his whiskey glass in jealousy. That would be a fab episode.

TheSecondMrsCampbellBlack · 14/11/2024 10:17

Oh yes, it would be a fab scene! I SO hope they do it! Please, please let it come true!

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PeachPumpkin · 14/11/2024 13:27

They really need to put us out of our misery and confirm if a second series will be made. It’s been a big success - surely it’s an easy decision.

IDareSay · 15/11/2024 16:17

If anyone would like more Alex Hassell he is in the Christmas film ‘Violent Night’. Seems to be a black comedy but so far watchable (I’m 10 minutes in). On Netflix 🎅
N.B. Very sweary!

TheSecondMrsCampbellBlack · 15/11/2024 16:27

IDareSay · 15/11/2024 16:17

If anyone would like more Alex Hassell he is in the Christmas film ‘Violent Night’. Seems to be a black comedy but so far watchable (I’m 10 minutes in). On Netflix 🎅
N.B. Very sweary!

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Oh I've seen that, didn't realise he was in it. I quite liked it.

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PatriciaHolm · 15/11/2024 16:30

IDareSay · 15/11/2024 16:17

If anyone would like more Alex Hassell he is in the Christmas film ‘Violent Night’. Seems to be a black comedy but so far watchable (I’m 10 minutes in). On Netflix 🎅
N.B. Very sweary!

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Very sweary and extremely violent, but DD and
I enjoyed it very much when it came out last year!

Ravenbright · 20/11/2024 11:08

Just finished watching it all - what a totally delicious joy! I'm old enough to have lived through the 80's and to have read the book when it first came out, but admit it's been many years since I read any "Jilly" so can't accurately compare.
Huge thanks to the Cooper readers here for all the background and interesting details.
It seems to me they got the whole vibe of the book absolutely right though. Thoroughly loved the soundtrack & the 80s OTT fashions.

I especially loved the Lizzie/Freddie storyline ! How brilliant were Katherine Parkinson and Danny Dyer! They absolutely made it for me. I could see them doing a version of "Brief Encounter", but at least in Rivals their unresolved 'tension' was resolved in the end.

I read that Disney haven't confirmed S2 yet, but I think it will happen based on the ratings and general press / media interest and response from viewers.
That ending was very much in the vein of 'if he's dead we have enough resolution to finish here if its not renewed', - and if it is, we can 'save' Tony before too much blood spills onto the carpet...so it seems like one where Disney have been waiting to see how it was received. ( Tony did look very dead though!)

MissTrip82 · 21/11/2024 08:38

Absolutely loved this and waiting on delivery of the book.

Loved Freddie and Lizzie, and initially thought RCB not very handsome but then without his clothes on……changed my mind.

Karmaisagod · 21/11/2024 12:09

MissTrip82 · 21/11/2024 08:38

Absolutely loved this and waiting on delivery of the book.

Loved Freddie and Lizzie, and initially thought RCB not very handsome but then without his clothes on……changed my mind.

Yes, that's exactly what I thought - he's a particularly attractive man when naked, isn't he?

EasternStandard · 21/11/2024 18:48

He may not be dead, one of those cliffhangers

Thought it was brilliant and the casting and acting was excellent

EasternStandard · 21/11/2024 18:50

Scorchio84 · 24/10/2024 00:03

Yeah @Chariz Aiden Turner & Danny Dyer were the unexpected surprises for me, I never watched Poldark so I was never interested in him before & of course we've all see DD in awful things hamming up his wide boy credentials but he was a delight in Rivals

Thought Danny Dyer was so good and likeable

Taggie was very well cast and O'Hara

All of them really