Eurovision Malmö 3

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Let's get a result...

Actually it's because the Swiss entry was fantastic.

Writhing around in a seedy toilet 😂😂

Thanks, finally a message that didn’t consist of nothing but allegations.
To answer your question. I do not think that the votes were bot generated. I do think they they were politically motivated though, in the same way large parts of Europe voted for Ukraine in 2022. I rolled my eyes at it then as well, because it completely defeats the purpose of the (nonsensical but amusing) competition.

I am quite tired of things being labelled antisemitic at a whim. I’m sure that there are many people who are antisemetic, but I hate when the term is used as a bludgeon to shut down people and this has happened quite a lot on this thread.

The booing that seems to have happened in the arena itself is another example. The same happened at other times, i.e. during the Russian performance in 2009. Many people thought that it was (rightly) unacceptable to have the audience boo a performer on stage just because they were representing a county that people had an issue with (Krim invasion). But there was no bit outcry or allegations of Russophobia which is absolutely a thing, just like antisemitism is.

I hope this clarifies things for you.

Because some people couldn’t help but start with the anti-Semitic rhetoric because Israel did well on the public vote

I did appreciate his balancing skills.

That may influence the jury's, although I doubt it, but the public wouldn't care and Switzerland did well with both.

They won because it was a decent song in a popular style, sung well, with a great performance and novel staging. If you've ever watched Eurovision there can be nothing surprising in their win, even if you didn't love it yourself.

That does not prove what you’ve claimed but OK.

Yes which is a shame because I’ve seen Olly love and he was AMAZING. I’m not sure if it comes across but he has great stage presence. This was many years ago mind. But Mollie Mae last year, in the grand final, didn’t give a good performance either.
Whereas I remember getting goosebumps with Sam Ryder’s song. When he blasts the “maaaaan” it’s glorious.

🤣🤣 If they could do the stage trickery they should have done something a bit more clever than rubbing the cod pieces of other men. I hate to make it political again but I felt that the “gay men being promiscuous in a public toilet” ‘storyline’ was perhaps a little offensive to many.

The breakdown of the televote by country shows that Israel did massively well in getting 12's and 10's. Croatia had an overall better spread of votes. Israel got votes from Albania and Azerbaijan, which was interesting. Cyprus, too. (Although that could be Greek Cyprus.) Even those countries whose entrants were vocally anti-Israel, the Netherlands and Ireland, voted for Israel.

Considering past winners and this year's winner, I don't think the argument that Olly lost due to anti-LGBT sentiment stacks up. It was just, yet again, a weak effort from the UK.

I love this idea!

Mollie Mae would probably have put in a worse performance than Mae Muller to be fair..

And it's true, George Michael did the "gay men being promiscuous in a public toilet" thing in a far more clever and entertaining way in the Outside video 25 years ago. Olly missed the mark totally.

So weird I could have sworn Finlands singer had bright yellow PVC shirts but yes on Googling he didn’t at all

Wow Croatia were absolutely robbed of a rightful trophy

Did I imagine it or was there boos for UK when they showed them on screen?

Yes, probably a combination of the two.

I think the boos were for the fact they scored zero points if anything, I don't think it was directed at Olly.

This isn’t a conflict in the Middle East thread

If you want proof then there are plenty of threads on all aspects of the conflict over there.
Lots of proof available and lots of discussions you can have as you seem very interested.

I'd assumed that was because of the nul points thing.

Olly lost because the song was mediocre, the singing voice was awful in parts, the staging was anything but inclusive bordering on offensive.
The public vote refelected this.
It may have been technically amazing but a dirty bathroom is always a dirty bathroom.

Some gay men even find that imagery offensive TBH. And dated. Olly was quite vocal about how he wanted the act to be “the gayest ever” (or something along those lines), but is the grotty toilet scenario really the best way to convey this?

I’ve just re-watched the Sam Ryder performance from 2022. The way it starts with just him, and then bursts into light when the chorus begins, his beautiful range, his beautiful face and the lack of OTT fuss made me realise, after having 2 years of mediocre acts, exactly why he almost won.he was worlds apart than Olly and Mollie

Mollie Mae is from Love Island! Last year's UK entry was called Mae Muller, her aunt is a famous music video director.

Unless you mean Molly Smitten Downes who was the UK entry in 2014 I guess.

It’s a shame the Eurovision has been reduced to what it is now. Just third rate singers singing pretty rubbish songs. There’s always been an element of poor song choices, but now it’s dire. Out of all the songs last night there were three which were ‘okay’. The others were just trashy, and gimmicky. The one good thing I personally took away from it was that the Israeli song received a huge amount of votes from the public, which says it all about where the majority stand on the current Israeli/terrorist war.

I expect once the dust has settled they will try to spin the UK act as too adventurous for the homophobic public, or words to that effect. But that’s not it. The song was mediocre and the performance wasn’t good, either vocally or in terms of staging. (I also don’t think it makes any difference at Eurovision if you send an established act.) The acts that did really well - I’m thinking Switzerland, Croatia, France) - had real impact, whether it was for the staging, the quality of the song, or the vocal performance (or all of the above).
Graham and Rylan made a valiant attempt to sell it, but we all have eyes and ears.