Eurovision Malmö 3

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Let's get a result...

I’ve also reported the disgusting comments / attacks of two supporters here of a country committing a genocide. However they are unlikely to be deleted as MN generally seems to support pro Israel comments against the Palestinians.

Apparently according to the posters here, the pro Israel public vote was correct but the pro Switzerland jury’s vote was biased - pretty laughable if what was being done to thousands of innocent civilians in Palestine wasn’t so horrifying.

Thankfully I only meet these scarily narrow minded people on MN. In real life everyone I know is horrified at what the Israeli government is perpetrating. Including my lovely Israeli neighbours and our very good Jewish friends. None of whom watched the Eurovision or would have dreamt of voting for Israel.

Many people boycotted the Eurovision this year so would not have voted. Those that were left would naturally have been either more pro Israel or not as inclined to make a link between the genocide and the contest, which skewed the voting as expected. But I’m just happy they didn’t win. Should never have been allowed to take part.

I voted for Armenia several times.

I spent a fortune (well the cost of some decent biscuits from M&S) on voting for nothing it seems😤😤

I voted for Israel and many of my friends. We are not bots and we are not Jews either. We simply have a different opinion about the conflict

America did have the American Song Contest in the last couple of years where each state competed (Michael Bolton was a contestant). Kelly Clarkson and Snoop Dogg presented it. It was not renewed.

There also isn't really an equivalent of the EBU I guess

There were a lot of people asking their Israeli friends / families / social media across the world to vote for Israel. This was not normal voting this year.

Voted for Croatia and Norway. Croatia were my #1 favourites going in, but I also bunged Norway (who were in my top 5) a vote because Graham was needlessly snarky about them. Feel like Norway's result was woefully undeserved. Shout outs also to Estonia, Ukraine and Austria for their energy.

Switzerland - the song was my #2 going in but the performer was very 'me, me, me' (ditto Ireland, who made sure to get her face in wherever a camera existed), and although the music was great, I think he probably lost public votes with his dismal choice in fashion, both of the clothing and ideology variety.

The UK's entry was a dull song with a bland singer and sleazy staging. Graham, clearly a big fan of naked writhing men, sounded delusional about its chances before being brought down to earth. It's evident from the voting that no one enjoys sexualised performances and nudity half as much as the performers and their teams seem to believe.

Booing performers and those who dare to vote for them is rather pathetic behaviour so I'm not at all surprised there was huge support for Israel and I quite enjoyed seeing the UK predictably giving them 12pt. I imagine many at Eurovision are breathing a sigh of relief at Israel missing out on winning. Fair play to their young singer for remaining so professional in the face of such animosity.

For me, I think the actual highlight was the song about Martin Osterdahl - 'heterosexual in a homosexual world' 😆

Given the large LGBTQ+ community backing for Eurovision, are all the participating countries LGBTQ+ friendly? Allow same sex marriage, adoption etc?

Would be interesting to know

It must be quite shocking for you, that not everyone shares your views or particarly cares about all the dramatic shrieking about genocide, from people apparently happy to ignore every other genocide happening right now (because those ones aren't popular on twitter).

Its a war, shit happens. Imagine if social media had been around when America dropped the nukes.

Most people I know in real life are sympathetic for lsrael and Palestine. Though mostly for Israel given that they are bordered with extremist terrorist nutjobs.

I'm not Jewish, but voted for Israel.

Carnage is incidentally the way that Eurovision is heading if people don't take a fucking step back for five minutes and stop bloody grandstanding.

When it was originally set up we had fascists in Spain, people starving in just-ex-fascist Italy, actual Nazis still roaming around the place, the entire continent in a state of near collapse. In the 1960s the communist boot was stamping on the Eastern European face forever. In the 1990s the Bosnians ran across a runway getting shot at to come and compete.

Still with all of that never did a 20 year old woman get boo-ed. A 20 year old woman from a country that actually is not at war with any European country. The behaviour I have seen this past week from some competitors and from many audience members is frankly disgusting. I am a lifelong Eurovision fan and I feel sad and disillusioned about the scenes from there this week.

@YaMuvva
I think it's more the paid for propaganda and the need for Israel to be popular.
On Twitter people were saying they had never even watched the Eurovision but they would still vote for Israel.

I didn’t like the song much but I can see how it got so many votes so fair play to the winner.

The large number of votes are not a surprise - the Jewish communities all over the continent all loyally voting, politically.

Ha ha ha, you really believe this?
I’m not Jewish either or indeed my friends/family but we voted for that poor girl tonight because of the fucking disgusting bullies harassing her because of where she comes from but also because it was a lovely song/perfomance 🥰

I'm pretty sure that Katrina, from Katrina and the waves lived in the UK for 20 years before entering Eurovision (from the age of 15-16 when her family moved to the UK in 1976). So it's a bit unfair to characterise her performance as an outsider.

Also I'm not sure it is accurate to say talk about the Eastern block being present as late as 1997. Some countries competed, others didn't but countries like Poland and Romania etc competed in 1994

I wonder what would happen if someone like Adele, Dua Lipa or Coldplay entered Eurovision, would they still get nul points?

would be fascinating to see it play out....

Same.

If you think those marches mean the majority must hate all things Israel too then you would be wrong.

Just because they bully the most, or screech the loudest, doesn't mean they are the majority. In fact I think the behaviour of some probably helped swing public opinion the other way.

Similar to the jury vote, the televote points are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10 and 12 points, so the top ten songs in each country's televote will score at least something. The other 15 songs will get nothing. So it's entirely possible to be the 11th favourite in every single televote and get zero points. It doesn't mean everyone hates you, it just means you didn't make it to the top 10 in any televote.

Most people I know in real life are sympathetic for lsrael and Palestine. Though mostly for Israel given that they are bordered with extremist terrorist nutjobs.

Nutjobs who Israel bolstered and financed when it suited their agenda of divide and rule with regard to Hamas and the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank.

Just two short years ago we came second with a relatively unknown guy from the home counties. He was an excellent singer, the song was good and unique, the performance was good, that's what succeeds. It's not that the UK isn't liked, it just rarely sends something memorable that will succeed. Every flop the UK has sent in recent years was an understandable flop.

It was rubbish then?

But it looks like they made a mistake from the outset by choosing well-established celebrity singers to take part as well as present!

I also bet it was totally lacking in camp. It ought to have had a wider geographical participation to give some...grounding.

And if Dua Lipa ever entered I hope it would be for Albania.

Katrina was born in Texas. At least one other member of the band was English and they were formed in England.

And it’s weird how people forget just how far right the Israeli government is. Extremist terrorist nutjobs would describe them well.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/07/israel-far-right-ultranationalist-hits-ground-running-and-ripple-effects-are-being-felt

That was my reaction too!! 😂

I think it would depend on how they approached it. Sam Ryder was pretty much unknown prior but he did well because he was totally engaged in Eurovision, in a loving and un-ironic way. He had a cracking song, he worked hard on his performance and he got his face and name around the circuit.

We'd always done shit before then, for years, because we didn't work for it.

A lot of these acts tonight, you're maybe seeing them for the first time but for the audience and judges they are known, because they've put the work and effort in. You can't just pitch up and sing a song with a funny costume, but that was the UK strategy for decades, hence nul points.

It’s unfair that all those other countries can have their genocide but Israel can’t have theirs too!

maybe it’s anti Semitic