Channel 4 - To Catch A Copper

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Thoughts?

I was luckily able to watch this during work due to my job and it absolutely SHOCKED me to my core and really affected me.

BBC Bristol Radio are talking about it now and interviewing a woman from Avon & Somerset

They are talking to Amber Redman from the anti-corruption unit. She just said she hopes the programme reassures the general public that they route out misconduct etc. WTAF!!!! It did the exact opposite.

I mean, the anti corruption officers like Amber Redman (and the bloke whose name I forget) did look like they were doing a decent job at finding misconduct. The thing they seem to be saying-without-saying is that the IOPC is at fault.

I have now seen it and I'm sadly not surprised.

I saw that less tfat 1% of cases referred to tge IOPC result in a prosecution. Not s conviction, a prosecution.

At the beginning when the woman was on the phone to the police saying, they aren't going to believe me, are they? And I was saying to myself, no love, they probably won't.

That reflective practice session was a joke. Basically, they've had a chat just so it doesn't "go upstairs". What a shitshow.

That Cocking case was just BS. How he got away with that just astounds me. Not believable at all.

The women subject to these abuses were vulnerable and needed help.FFS.

I know the CC wants a light shone on this and hopes by doing so, women are reassured but for me it's having the direct opposite effect. Don't be mentally ill, don't get drunk, don't get raped, don't get beaten up by your partner, don't... because you are on your own.

The IOPC are just a Mickey Mouse outfit steeped in misogyny and live in cloud cuckoo land.

I've mistrusted the police for years but it intensified after Sarah Everard died. In the three years since she was murdered what's changed?

It makes you wonder though what the police were like before social media and cameras were about .

Well, in my sister's experience, after you were raped they told you you were asking for it, and that "you wouldn't stand a fucking chance in court, you wouldn't" and then asked for the guy's details and when they learned he was black, raided his house, ripped open his mattresses and prosecuted him for having a joint in his flat.

I've just watched this. I use reflective practice with teenagers at school and I would not let them get away with treating it like that actual grown adult did. If a 14 year old can be guided to really consider the impact of their behaviour, then a paid grown adult should certainly do better. Disgusting.

@MILTOBE

That does not surprise me one bit . Hope your Sister is doing ok now .

time 7:38, the sadly familiar scenario of the suit and tie office people criticising the front line, when they are equally if not more culpable. They recruit and train these people.

I hope Lee Cocking’s wife is on here and sees how hated her husband is. So besotted and just so passively part of the problem.

Disgusting rapist.

This is an utter utter horror show
It hardly gives you confidence in policing

Cocking being acquitted. His stupid wife and a
whole jury believing that crock of victim blaming bullshit. Ill health retirement on a full pension for a rapist. I am enraged.

The ridiculous 'reflective practice' where essentially they do no reflection at all and another blokey officer who likely shared their views gives them a pat on the back for swearing at and humiliating a vulnerable person. I have no idea what law they were deploying to return her to the hospital if it was true that she was not detained under the mental health act

The bridge incident officers pulling a traumatised person by her hair, pushing her out of the car handcuffed on the floor and holding her by her throat. Apart from anything else how dumb would you actually need to be to pepper spray someone inside a car that you were driving in.

I do have some sympathy that the police are not the right people to respond to mental health incidents as they don't have the right training or mindset but rather than withdraw from it completely they need to work with mental health services to work differently so we can manage this stuff. In my area we have a mental health joint response car with a mental health nurse on duty to talk people down and prevent this sort of stuff. People in crisis do present to police and they can't just wash their hands they need to get better at dealing with it.

This is horrific.

I cannot understand the Cocking outcome.

1. Sex on duty is an offence
2. Taking advance if a vulnerable person
3. She was drunk - cannot consent
4. It was rape
5. He knew the perfect location for no cameras, no potential witnesses - there's no way this was the only time it happened (If any good ones out if thus, I hope other women come forward too)

And as for the poster who had the victim never said rape. What planet are you on? It's a known fact that a lot of victims cannot actually say the word rape. Saying it makes it very real & it's a form of self protection to skirt around the word in order to disassociate with the horror if what just happened.

As for his wife, speechless. That woman needs serious help if she's still with him.

I’m afraid I had to switch it off halfway through. Unbelievable that I’ve learnt from this thread that they’ve all got away unpunished for their abhorrent behaviour.

The reasons are in a link upthread
They beggar belief
The panel found that HE was the victim of a sexual assault by her
So he wasn't even guilty of having consensual sex on duty let alone rape but rather he was the victim and she forced herself on him

They chose to believe that total and utter bullshit that any fool can tell was a lie and a pretty shit one

They said SHE should have been cautioned and treated as having committed an offence after he made an allegation that she assaulted him.

Beggars belief

There must be a petition to disband the IOPC and have a properly independent investigative body. I'm going to see if there is so that I can sign it.

Let us know if you find one. If not we could set one up? Does anyone know how you do this?

I have written to my MP and to James Cleverly. No doubt I'll receive a mealy mouthed reply, but unless we protest 🤷‍♀️

The Cocking trial.... did they they say it was a 3 week trail and the jurors took less than an hour to reach a verdict? Raises huge alarm bells with me! How can they review 3 weeks of "data" in that short amount of time?!

Apart from anything else how dumb would you actually need to be to pepper spray someone inside a car that you were driving in.

Ha, yes this! And then, d'oh, they had to change cars because theirs was sprayed. It was like a scene from Dumb and Dumber. They are not really safe to be out on the streets are they?! It would have been hilarious. Except it wasn't.

I couldn't believe they pava'd her a) when cuffed and b) sitting in the car and they were under no immediate threat from her. Completely unbelievable.

I'm hoping as PP said, the CC is just so fed up getting nowhere that this programme has been shown with an ulterior motive I.e to bring about action as she's hit a wall.

He drove up a dirt track in the pitch dark. !!!!

Yet his wife is still with him, it is insane!

Yes, his wife says something like, "I asked him if he had sex with her and he said no, and I thought that's good enough for me!"

God help that woman.

You'll be lucky if James Cleverly (not), is even able to read it.

@OnlyOpenMouthToChangeFeet LOL, he's never come across as the sharpest tool in the box.