The Traitors S2 - THE AFTERMATH

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Discuss!

I think if you don't want contestants- not just Mollie- to be called gullible, internet discussion and this forum may not be for you. Hannah and Meryl were called gullible last year. Which they were.

Oh I didn't pick up on that! Yes, a give away that Evie went early 😔

I thought Harry played a good game,.but I really hated it at the end when she was so distressed and he was whispering to her that it wasn't him. It's hard to.celebrate blatant lying like that. They seemed to have such a good.bond. I think he would have come out of it so much better if he'd have immediately shared the.money with her. He could have been the nation's sweetheart!

@MaggieFS For sure he was very nimble. There's a field of strategy called Emergent Strategy which I think is a good way to understand how he played it. It's less about setting a fixed course, and more about setting a fixed objective and being able to change course quickly depending on changing circumstances...I'd say Harry is a great emergent strategist!

Less people to split the money with so he got more. Still an option

@blobby10 True, but she's been seriously ill for a lot of her life AND spent many of her most formative years in lockdowns, I do wonder how this contributes to young people's worldiness (or not).

but I really hated it at the end when she was so distressed and he was whispering to her that it wasn't him. It's hard to.celebrate blatant lying like that.

This has happened in every season of Traitors, as Mollie would know if she watched it. It even happened with Paul.

Mollie was in a game, the name of which was The Traitors. Like everyone else from the very start she had Claudia practically shouting in her ear through a megaphone "you can't trust anyone". She was wrong to trust Harry. She made a mistake. I'm sure she'll come to terms with it. She's doubtless a strong young woman - I don't like the victim status that is being foisted on her on this thread.

I hope that all of them quietly fade away back to obscurity. If any of them go on to have a career in the spotlight - well then, we all know what kind of a show The Traitors will become and what kind of applicants it will attract.

Harry never forgot that he was playing a game. And he allowed
himself to enjoy it! Mollie let her emotions and loyalties control her decision at the end. She knew that Jazz was a faithful, but she’d rather split the money with Harry than with Jazz and she didn’t want to risk shafting Harry.

I do feel sorry for her, as Harry did manipulate her throughout the game. But it’s a game! That’s kinda the point of the game. The faithful have to be constantly alert that anyone could be a traitor and they need to always remember, like Jazz did, that you can’t trust anyone.

I roll my eyes slightly at all these ‘I love yous’ and declarations of being besties, like they are a bunch of teenage freshers bonding.

@themusingsofaninsomniac If he was the only traitor left he'd be getting 100% of the cash even with 3 ppl left, so would have voted green. If he was one of two traitors and aiming to banish a fellow traitor to avoid splitting the pot, then Mollie would have lost either way as she'd have been left with one traitor at the end, so she should have voted green in case there was only one traitor. There's no way that voting green isn't always the best chance of winning if you're a Faithful at the firepit with two other people, one of whom votes red and one green.

Mollie had doubts. She told him she'd never speak to him again if he was a Traitor; not something you say if you're sure he's not. Even if she was too stressed to reason that Jaz wouldn't vote to banish if he was a Traitor, she could have reasoned "I have doubts. If Harry isn't a Traitor, I'll share the money with him; we would split it anyway if he's Faithful."

I can't deny Harry played well but like a PP, I think he got extremely lucky in many respects and was more an opportunist than a great strategist. Jaz very nearly got him and really should have.

I know it's a game, the rules and all that, but it is starting to make me uncomfortable and uneasy now. I'm also seeing just how unfair the odds are and it's annoying me. I don't think I'll watch the next series.

"A traitor would want to end and take all the money so jaz is not a traitor" - but not if they're both traitors!
Anyway, a pp explained why her logic didnt work if they had both been traitors, but she was in a situation where she just couldnt bring herself to betray her friend. Stupidity? Nah - misguided loyalty

Harry and Mollie are nearly the same age. He too spent his years in lockdown.

@MotherofGorgons But he didn't have his life disrupted by illness and depending on when he entered the forces, his working life wouldn't have been disrupted by COVID in the same way (key worker ne plus ultra!). They are also just very different people whatever the experiences, I'm sure.

Harry, Jas and Mollie are on BBC breakfast now!

Definitely. For me saying it was just a game is like saying salespeople who prey on the elderly or vulnerable -are just doing their job. It may be legal but doesn't stop it being immoral.

But everyone knows what they are signing up for. It is not the same as the scenario you mentioned. It literally is a game where everyone knows the rules.

I wonder if Harry is dyslexic? The way he spelt names at the round table & invited his fellow traitors in the tower to write their victim choice names on the murdered scrolls in the tower, rather than him, suggests maybe. If so, many dyslexics have a way of looking 'outside of the box' & seeing things others can't & their skills are sought in jobs that require that way of thinking. We played an escape room with someone who has dyslexia & they solved 3 major clues for us to win the game, that the rest of the team hadn't thought about & bypassed, whilst discussing & arguing things amongst themselves - they saw very clearly the way ahead, like Harry has.

Perhaps in future seasons of the Traitors, no young, old, differently abled or non-binary people should be recruited. Just hardened old warriors. If you watch other seasons, you will realise that it's not just the young who are vulnerable. Everyone is.

No it isn’t. The rules are to banish until you think there are no traitors left. So Jaz voting to banish meant he believed there was still one. She also knew this meant there was likely a traitor hence why she asked Harry “is it you” She should have known that Jaz wouldn’t have voted red if he was a traitor so should have - and nearly did - banish Harry. Rather than Harry winning, she lost it for the faithful. She was too trusting and blinded by fancying Harry which is of course not a bad trait per se but hardly conducive to winning a game called traitors

He is dyslexic - he confirmed it on someone's insta comment

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Yes I’m uncomfortable with male
traitors surrounding themselves with trusting female sidekicks and then voting off all the threats. So at the end you’re left with strong men and weak women. Despite there probably being an equal number of
strong/weak men/women at the start!

If anything it’s a bit boring that that’s how the game unfolds.

Are you being serious @Christmasisover ? They were there voluntarily because they wanted to win a lot of money and they knew the rules of the game. It's nothing like elderly people being conned by a salesman!!

Yes, I find this comparison dubious. Literally every episode Claudia intones " Don't trust anyone".

The opposite has also happened, so you can cheer along to that series instead if the sex of the contestants is an issue for you!