Page 36 | Traitors UK S2 Thread 6 "She believes everything I say"

TheFifthTellytubby · 26/01/2024 13:01

AddieLoggins2 · 26/01/2024 12:46

With regards to the sword thing. I think this is an actual example of the way the producers can edit the show to make it look a certain way.

I know there has been a lot of talk about how much influence the producers have over what is said/done. And I don't think they do directly influence what happens, but obviously it's a tv show so they are going to want to show what does happen in the most dramatic/entertaining way possible.

So I reckon they do something like, all draw swords. Harry gets the unbroken sword, they then film it again, this time with Harry stood on the final spot (if that's not where he was originally stood). They'll already have the footage of people drawing the swords the first time, and we know that they do pick up shots etc Who knows maybe they film it

It wouldn't have made for very good television if everyone didn't end up having a turn to draw a sword. I reckon the others all had a turn after Harry found the sword but it was made too look as though Harry went last. They would also have needed to re-shoot his turn so the right number of swords were left in the stone. The original game would presumably have needed to be completely random though, because of the rules governing cash prizes. Harry strikes me as one of those people born under a lucky star - it's not the first time he's fallen on his feet quite by chance ... finding the shield in the cabin task, for example, and I'm sure there was a point at the round table when he was at risk of coming unstuck over the shield strategy but the argument shifted away from him at that point...

MadeOfAllWork · 26/01/2024 13:06

I would love it if Mollie had worked it all out all along.

MeinKraft · 26/01/2024 13:24

WhereAreWeNow · 26/01/2024 09:39

Did anyone else think Harry looked genuinely besotted and a bit anguished when Molly was talking at dinner about her disability and the challenges she's faced? I could almost see him giving half the money to Molly if he wins.

You could see him thinking "shit, I really want this money but this girl is amazing and it would do much worthier stuff with the cash than I would".

Or was he just a bit pissed and thinking "you're pretty"?

That's just his anguished face he does it at the round table too. Looks as though he's a bit constipated

NonPlayerCharacter · 26/01/2024 13:37

MeinKraft · 26/01/2024 13:24

That's just his anguished face he does it at the round table too. Looks as though he's a bit constipated

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Yeah, and as for his winking...

TooOldForThisNonsense · 26/01/2024 14:00

I think they have it in their heads there’s only one traitor left. On that basis I think it is really going to be key to who wins as to what happens at the banishment. Harry and Andrew will probably vote for each other. I hope Jaz persuades Evie so then he, Andrew and Evie get Harry out. They then think there’s no traitor and end the game and Andrew wins. Although Harry voting for Andrew may raise suspicion as it did last series with Wilf.

Eithet that or they get Andrew out at the RT, Mollie reveals that she’s suspected Harry all along and they get him out. Mollie, Jaz and Evie share the spoils.

TooOldForThisNonsense · 26/01/2024 14:01

I’m always wrong however

ScribblingPixie · 26/01/2024 14:01

I think the smartest thing for Harry to do would be to throw Evie a lifeline by saying he's suspicious of Jaz. She would perhaps be only too keen to join a vote for someone else as she's under suspicion. If he can't get rid of Jaz first he's in trouble IMO.

MaggieFS · 26/01/2024 14:11

Yep, agree with that @ScribblingPixie which is why Evie has the casting vote, unless they banish her first.

@TooOldForThisNonsense In one of his yellow chair sessions yesterday, Jaz did repeat Claudia's "traitor or traitors" so there's a smidge of a chance chat will come up about a second traitor.

Do they have a RT or is it straight to the fire? What do they do in between if it's both?

wubwubwub · 26/01/2024 14:12

MadeOfAllWork · 26/01/2024 13:06

I would love it if Mollie had worked it all out all along.

...she hasn't.

wubwubwub · 26/01/2024 14:14

AddieLoggins2 · 26/01/2024 12:46

With regards to the sword thing. I think this is an actual example of the way the producers can edit the show to make it look a certain way.

I know there has been a lot of talk about how much influence the producers have over what is said/done. And I don't think they do directly influence what happens, but obviously it's a tv show so they are going to want to show what does happen in the most dramatic/entertaining way possible.

So I reckon they do something like, all draw swords. Harry gets the unbroken sword, they then film it again, this time with Harry stood on the final spot (if that's not where he was originally stood). They'll already have the footage of people drawing the swords the first time, and we know that they do pick up shots etc Who knows maybe they film it

No. They can't do it like that, it has to be a fair competition.

They might edit a couple of short sword draws - but they wouldn't be able to alter the actual competition.

Twonewcats · 26/01/2024 14:17

There is ZERO chance that the sword thing was a fix. Literally zero.

Anything on the BBC with a cash prize will be checked and double checked to ensure no fixing is going on.
(Obviously editing and filming could be manipulated after the event, tho)

Twonewcats · 26/01/2024 14:17

Andrew's going to have his work cut out getting rid of Mollie. It's the only way he could possibly get rid of Harry

Twonewcats · 26/01/2024 14:19

Am I right in saying that one Traitor could win, but one Faithful can't?
i.e if it came down to 2 Faithfuls being left, they can't banish one of them.

wubwubwub · 26/01/2024 14:20

Twonewcats · 26/01/2024 14:19

Am I right in saying that one Traitor could win, but one Faithful can't?
i.e if it came down to 2 Faithfuls being left, they can't banish one of them.

I'm guessing not - because they'd be in stalemate of votes - 1 to stay, 1 to go

wubwubwub · 26/01/2024 14:20

and yes, if you're faithful, you will always have to share the pot with at leas tone other player.

Mellowautumnmists · 26/01/2024 14:24

NonPlayerCharacter · 26/01/2024 12:45

Evie does have the casting vote. Andrew and Harry will vote for each other, Mollie will vote Andrew, Jaz will vote Harry.

That's why we NEED her to work out that the "knew about the shield" thing can't be right, because she and Jasmine were/are both Faithfuls. If she can just get this, she'll vote Harry and then my blood pressure will go back to normal.

Absolutely this! I can't understand why this hasn't been discussed by those remaining since that took place, unless it has and has been edited somehow.

wubwubwub · 26/01/2024 14:27

crabbyoldbat · 26/01/2024 12:22

@lemonsaretheonlyfruit OK, maybe not ridiculous, but I think the regulation of TV competitions makes it very unlikely - it could impact the way people play the game if they don't have the information up front.

Maybe the contestants know this -and we don't?

NonPlayerCharacter · 26/01/2024 14:34

Twonewcats · 26/01/2024 14:17

Andrew's going to have his work cut out getting rid of Mollie. It's the only way he could possibly get rid of Harry

Nah, he could vote with Jaz and Evie.

londonmummy1966 · 26/01/2024 14:35

Twonewcats · 26/01/2024 14:17

Andrew's going to have his work cut out getting rid of Mollie. It's the only way he could possibly get rid of Harry

I think he could if Evie twigs about Harry and then goes to talk to Andrew after yesterdays little chat. Given Jaz referred to Harry as he who cannot be named he did give a little hint he's not convinced. So if the 3 of them agree they are going for Harry, Andrew could then suggest they would be wise to get rid of Mollie first as she is so much of a Harry ally (and given the suspicion she faces it would be in Evie's interests to agree). It would mean they didn't face deadlock in the second round and they could all gang up on Harry then.

SO Round 1 Evie Jaz and Andrew vote out Mollie
Round 2 Harry is voted out
Round 3 they may stick it out so Andrew wins or turn on each other - either way would be good TV at that point.

gorillalala · 26/01/2024 14:41

This is how I really really really want it to play out tonight :

Jaz persuades Evie that Harry is a traitor based on the whole shield thing being a farce and all other associated events (him not being murdered, etc). Andrew goes along with it as he recognises that it's his chance to get Harry out. Harry gets banished.

Then Jaz points out the whole weirdness surrounding Andrew's comments about Harry being elusive, and Ross turning on him, etc, to convince Evie and Mollie that Andrew is also a traitor. Andrew gets banished.

Then all the remaining Faithfuls win :)

NonPlayerCharacter · 26/01/2024 14:43

gorillalala · 26/01/2024 14:41

This is how I really really really want it to play out tonight :

Jaz persuades Evie that Harry is a traitor based on the whole shield thing being a farce and all other associated events (him not being murdered, etc). Andrew goes along with it as he recognises that it's his chance to get Harry out. Harry gets banished.

Then Jaz points out the whole weirdness surrounding Andrew's comments about Harry being elusive, and Ross turning on him, etc, to convince Evie and Mollie that Andrew is also a traitor. Andrew gets banished.

Then all the remaining Faithfuls win :)

I'd like that. Jaz is the best.

ClarasZoo · 26/01/2024 14:52

BringOnFebBankHoliday · 26/01/2024 11:14

Just caught up on the thread after last night’s episode – lots going on in my head, trying to figure it all out!
My first thought is that Harry will win because of Mollie – neither of those will vote each other out so they’ll end up in the final together and Harry will take all the money. I really don’t think Harry will keep Andrew in the final, he will dump him at the earliest opportunity.
The only way to get Harry out is for him to go at the first banishment tonight – for this to happen Jaz needs to speak up re Harry and get Andrew and Evie on board. 3 votes for Harry will get him out, if Evie or Jaz goes first I fear there’s no way for Harry not to win.

I am fed up of Jaz not speaking up – maybe he is playing a game and holding out until the final to get Harry out. But then the question is… does he suspect Andrew is also a traitor?

If Harry guns for Andrew then Andrew will gun for Harry I think . So in a scenario where Harry goes at the table, I think everyone will heavily suspect Andrew. And I can see Harry trying to let Molly win if he thinks he is going anyway so it would not look good for Andrew to win if Harry goes early…

MotherofGorgons · 26/01/2024 14:54

I want Harry to win now because I dont want Mollie to win a penny. If he comes from a large family I don't suppose he has had much for himself. Love Jaz but he has left it too late.

ClarasZoo · 26/01/2024 14:54

Choux · 26/01/2024 12:15

If I remember correctly hasn't Harry said in the yellow chair that his goal is to take the whole pot ie get Andrew out? And Andrew is wise to Harry's non loyalty to any traitor.

So given that Harry's goal is to get Andrew out and Jaz's goal is to get Harry out. When Harry starts on Andrew, Andrew will retaliate on Harry and Jaz will join in. Mollie is unlikely to look at Harry as a traitor so the game hinges on what Evie does. Hopefully Jaz will provide a compelling case against Harry and Evie will help banish him.

The Harry v Andrew fight at the round table will reveal them as likely to both be traitors so ther will be another banishment of Andrew. Then Jaz, Evie and mollie will end the game and win.

Yes this is a good analysis.

CaveMum · 26/01/2024 14:56

Really interesting article on BBC with an interview with the Executive Producer.

Once they are banished/murdered the contestants don’t know what happens as no one is allowed to talk about it. So the only people that know what happened are those that made it to the Final (plus Claudia and the entire crew of course!)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-68097755

The Traitors: Faithful viewers gear up for finale

Fans will find out whether the faithful will scoop the prize - or if a traitor swoops in last minute.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-68097755