The Traitors S2, Thread 3: “Unbrushed, Half-Brushed & Insta Ready” - no spoilers!

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Now fully at Live TV pace.

Will it be a traitor in the kitchen with a poisoned chalice?

You've articulated my thoughts too about Wilf @AmyandPhilipfan He was being so fake IMO in saying he wanted the faithfuls to win. I'm really glad they did. But at the same time...

...I think what Keiran did was poor gamesmanship and going against the rules of being a traitor.

“Someone on Reddit has done a confessional count and those getting the most confessionals of the faithful are Charlie, Charlotte, Zack & Ross so it's likely they'll be in for the long run.”

Thats dedication!

I LOVE the music too!

Me too. The music and photography, such as shots from obscure angles etc are superb. Well done production team!

That's called edgic in Reality TV fan terms. Editing logic to work out who is likely to win. It's a whole huge thing with TV programmes like Survivor. And it's not always reliable.

@Turtlerussell Yes, probably we are! I was thinking just literally in terms of him not stepping up. I don't think you can read into him from that because of the gameplay being the bigger picture.

It is a head scramble isn't it.

I can see why some people wouldn't want to be Traitors. And much as it is a game, if you're too good at it, I don't think people IRL would view you in the same way again.

@Turtlerussell I agree.

There will be only one or a couple of winners, but the programme is there to stay and be rewatched. You'd expect the players (traitor or not) to show decency for the sake of their friends and family supporting them at home.

Miles was very convincing however at the start of yesterday's episode when they said about the poison and people speculating it was a drink, he had to go under the bus, because if you try too hard to suggest something else, and then someone doesn't get banished as a result people start to get suspicious about the deflection and he struggled a bit throughout the day with the heat on him - he was actually far more convincing he wasn't at the round table.

I wonder how much interrogation techniques the army staff receive? I watch SAS who dares wins, and while they always put the message about the techniques being more extreme than those permitted by the British military, they always judge the recruits on how the judge when is the right time to carry on the lie and when to admit some elements of the truth. Also knowing when to not get defensive and anger the captors further. Wonder if Harry has received at least some interrogation training, in order to prepare for potential capture/hostage situations? Hence why he's so calm under pressure.

I'm getting frustrated with the faithful, however I can't blame them with Harry, I wouldn't have a clue if I didn't know he was one, same for Miles until last night

Re Jaz... I read someone speculating that he thought the 2 traitors were Paul and Harry, and hadn't accounted for the fact that there were 4 to start with. That's why he defended Miles as he was sure the he knew who the traitors are.

I'm hoping Zach is recruited and Harry and he lead a charge against Paul. I guess it's unlikely they'll catch traitors twice in a row yet.

When Paul is inevitably offered the role of pantomime villain later this year, he won't even need to practise the laugh... Mwa ha ha ha! 😁

I really hope this hasn't made Jaz doubt himself and lose his conviction over Paul and Harry.

Personally I didn't get why they "chose" someone to murder with the chalice at all - it would have been way less suspicious if they'd just gathered everyone for a toast and let someone pick the chalice at random - they'd have to get rid of them all eventually anyway, what's the difference? I get why they'd want to murder Diane but she was so sharp, choosing to pick her on that particular night seemed like asking for trouble, any other normal night it would have been easy.

it would have been way less suspicious if they'd just gathered everyone for a toast and let someone pick the chalice at random

That's why! They have to confer, get the chalice and hand it over without being sussed. It's difficult and it's good TV.

Harry will never be banished before Paul. Paul is too arrogant - he's so convinced of his own genius that he's almost exposed himself.

I had weirdly come on here to mention that we often don't see much of the finalists of programmes until the latter stages of the contest - for example, in The Apprentice, often there are people who we dont notice until the 3rd or 4th episode, then they start to make a bit of an impact. Again, it's all been filmed ahead of airing, so they are able to edit things in a certain way.

That's why! They have to confer, get the chalice and hand it over without being sussed. It's difficult and it's good TV.

Yes but I mean from the traitors perspective! In their shoes, I'd have planned to try and get anyone to drink from the chalice, rather than focusing on one person.

I thought the letter said they had to choose a Faithful to murder, hence conferring around the firepit. I'm not sure that they were able to just leave it to fate as presumably they all had to agree on the person.

Yes, that was my understanding of the task too

Sort of, but they didn't have to write it down or anything, as far as the edit showed, they just privately agreed amongst themselves then went and did it.

Exactly. It also said that the first faithful to sip from the chalice would be murdered. So they could easily have chosen their target, then offered a tray of drinks round, with the chalice strategically placed so their chosen target would be likely to choose it, but without doing too much to try to engineer that outcome.

Right, so if Paul were banished next, in theory all the contestants could decide 'hey, we've got rid of three traitors, that'll be it, then', and call a vote to end the game and split the money, no matter how many people left?

Obviously they would want the numbers down a bit in reality, in order to get more cash, so they'd keep voting out faithful and completing tasks for a bit 🙂

I didn't watch the last series (why????!) and so maybe I missed a bit of the rules, but - if the invited faithful refuses to become a Traitor then what happens? Do they get killed? Or do the Traitors have to murder someone else that night?

They really should have had the gumption to get Paul out last night. He's made some terribly obvious mistakes and people don't trust him so I can't see why they didn't go for him then Miles tonight.
The faithfuls are so unbelievably naive even after Antony's speech and Claudia giving it to them with both barrels!

I also couldn't believe that none of them remembered Paul and Miles making a big fuss about looking for his water bottle then suspiciously disappearing. I know it's heavily edited but they're properly clueless.