The Traitors S2, Thread 3: “Unbrushed, Half-Brushed & Insta Ready” - no spoilers!

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Now fully at Live TV pace.

Will it be a traitor in the kitchen with a poisoned chalice?

Loving all the different theories. I think Jaz did know it was miles and he also knows Paul is a traitor I think he is worried about getting targeted by Paul as despite their 'chat' - paul knows that Jaz is still very suspicious of him. Maybe he thought that if he voted for miles then that's too close to Paul and paul will get rid of him once miles is gone once he has the support. Andrew was a complete random throw away vote imo

Im surprised everyone loved the episode - I'd expected a lot more complaints about the darkness of it all.
I loved it, but remember seeing the funeral trailer and was a bit shocked by it.

Nobody (including me) mentions Jasmine, I’m not sure where she’s at with it all - is she a Paul fan? How is she managing to avoid attention?

I think after burying several players alive in the first series, we know now that they don't shy away from this sort of thing.

Fucking hell, though. I wouldn't do it. I hope the players are all checked beforehand to make sure they're mentally resilient enough and have support on hand. They do all seem OK after the show.

Can someone clarify the end game for me, please?

I know that if all the faithful are got rid of, the traitors split the money (making it important to them have the fewest traitors left at the end, and therefore encouraging traitor infighting towards the end), but what else precipitates the end game? How many players have to be left? Or is it a specific number of faithful?

I'm not sure about that, given that they had three coffins at the end. If the third one wasn't for Evie, there weren't any other candidates for it, were there?

Does show though that the game is very much the traitors to play. Voting is mostly stabs in the dark until a traitor turns on another traitor and starts to lead others towards their vote. More 'plain sight' actions for the traitors would even the playing field.

The dungeon episode was obviously designed to even the playing field a bit. The trouble is that most of this lot were too dim (or too easily hoodwinked) to work it out.

No, it was Christian in the US one who claimed that the traitors had tried to recruit him unsuccessfully. It was an idiot move, not only because the other traitors were pissed off, and he couldn't produce the letter so it was a pretty obvious lie.

I'm not sure about that, given that they had three coffins at the end. If the third one wasn't for Evie, there weren't any other candidates for it, were there?

We don't know how many questions they would have got right along the way so there could have been any number of people left (although the questions would have been set to ensure Diane wasn't the only one left). I expect they set the coffins up once they knew how many people were still on foot.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Idiot. He overdid it way too much.

I am also surprised that more people didn't pick up on the fact that Evie should not have been in a coffin. They uhmed and ahed between her and Queen Diane and got it wrong. Therefore they must have known Evie was not meant to be in a coffin. The questions weren't hard - that was the only one that they had to guess at - the rest were easy for them to work out and based in fact. So in theory the producers would have expected two coffins to be needed: Paul and Diane.

As a faithful, you would imagine that they would contrive questions that included a Traitor in the final coffin folk which should have been a massive clue that Paul was a traitor.

I think he will go tonight. I fucking hope so - the smug crocodile.

The Tracey question was the only difficult one wasn't it. All the others just needed the person present to know what had happened to them. (As in "I've never been voted for" "I got a shield in the first task"). Where as knowing who Tracey would leave her worldly possessions to was more assumption.

Which does mean if all questions had been got right then it'd have only been Diane and Paul at the end - making it interesting. Wonder if any one will work that out.

Unless of course even if Evie had been put forward that was the wrong answer - do we know the correct answer? Claudia didn't say. Maybe they just set it up so it was always going to be those three at the end.

Did we ever find out categorically that Evie was the correct answer to Tracey’s clue or are people just assuming? I thought the correct answer might be one of the players who was then made exempt at the next stopping point, so Evie, Diane and Paul always planned to be the three.

Cross-posted with @AnImaginaryCat!

At the end, everyone gets to vote on whether or not they want to end the game there and then, or have another round of banishments.

The traitors don't have to get rid of all of the faithful to win. They just have to survive. The number of remaining faithful is irrelevant. Any remaining traitors split the money. If there are no traitors, the faithful split the money.

(Which is why Paul is keen to recruit a new traitor as cannon fodder whom the rest will banish, because he's more likely to be banished than Harry).

It looked to me like that mission took the whole day to film, and they presumably had to adjust the next question pending the results of the previous to engineer who and how many they wanted left at the end.

I could be wrong, but they set off "after breakfast" (granted we don't know when that was) and one of the players talked about the "sun going down" when they were in the Land Rovers on the way back.

In one of the overseas ones (not going to say which as it would be spoiler-y) the game ended with just traitors standing.

They then had to vote on whether to share the money, or steal the money. If all voted share, they shared equally. If one voted steal and others voted share, the one who stole got the lot. If all voted steal, nobody got anything.

Actually, thinking about the end game, I would LOVE it, if the final four were Paul, Jaz, Zach and one other, with the three faithful having agreed to banish Paul. They would have nothing to lose... if he's faithful, then it would be one less to share the money amongst, and if he's a traitor then that's a result.

I can see Harry playing that fourth person role to perfection!

doesn't paul sit in the same seat wilf sat in last year?
do these people not watch the show before doing it? Paul is like wilf with all his crying/face covering.
Harry is a slimey boy. but I would rather he won that someone who has just sat there looking pretty.

I also thought Charlotte showed promise at the start, and had her down as a potential winner, but she seems have diminished over time. Early on she seemed to be involved, but not overly so, and not meek and mild either.

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I think it's also worth bearing in mind that the whole show is edited once ALL filming is complete - so with foresight. Production will give more air time to more relevant players. I think it's quite telling that the blondes are all blurring into one at the moment and that Charlotte doesn't feature much. Unless they ramp up coverage of these players, i would guess that they want us to be more invested in the outcomes of the others - just a punt and certainly not conclusive as we are only half way through.

Harry said at the start that he's got the kind of face you either want to kiss or punch and I've always wanted to punch it. I know that kind of "cheeky boy" and I've never been able to stand them. But he wasn't wrong that a lot of people feel very differently!

My feelings are nuanced by his service history, which I hugely respect. But as a sheer personality type, yes, I've never been able to stand those guys!

Yes, did they not watch last year and see all the suspicious crying? Ivan, who was my fave last year, tweeted that players need to be wary of people who cry too much.

I keep wondering if telling everyone that a Faithful had been “poisoned” made it too obvious that it was to do with drinks, and wonder if last night would have played put any differently if Claudia had simply said that someone was “murdered in plain sight” and left everyone a bit less certain about how the murder was actually carried out. That could have got them exploring all sorts of weird theories about signals, hugs etc.

As it was, it felt like Miles had exposed himself to a bit too much danger, possibly without realising just how much suspicion would be thrown on to him by the reveal about “poison”.

Perhaps at this point though the Faithful needed a big helping hand to get rid of another traitor - but it definitely went badly for Miles!

I also wonder if there should have been some clear jeopardy for the traitors if they failed the task. Something like knowing that failure meant that one of the traitors would die by slow acting poison instead.

It could have been fun for Claudia to come in the next morning and reveal that the traitors had murdered one of their own, leaving them with all the confusion and anticipation of knowing a traitor would soon be revealed, and the audience wondering what that traitor might do in their final hours to stir things up.

The scenes with Dianne and Ross made me uncomfortable. She seemed to baby him a bit. I wonder if he is the youngest.

I think the problem is that last year it started to eat Wilf up that he was a Traitor and potentially going to win a lot of money through those means. So Paul, I wonder if some of his crying/shaking is legit?
Or is he just brutal? 😅