The Traitors S2, Thread 3: “Unbrushed, Half-Brushed & Insta Ready” - no spoilers!

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Now fully at Live TV pace.

Will it be a traitor in the kitchen with a poisoned chalice?

that was so exciting.
so nearly Paul that was voted out
but i saw Zack give him a hug after Miles went
jaz is playing a good game

They could all have just been on a high after discovering a traitor and over excitedly claiming Paul wS evidently faithful. In the morning (hopefully) reason will set in for most of them.

Well except for Andrew of course. He will unwaveriingly stand by his one true love. 😀

This! We were shouting at the telly. I think they just aren't thinking that a traitor could banish another traitor so they see Paul's conviction that Miles must be banished as irrefutable proof that he's a faithful.

With any luck Harry will recruite Zack and they will push the 'two traitors at war' line and Paul will go.

Do you think the round table that made Claudia shake Iis when the (round) tables finally turn on Paul?

Paul needs to go or I can’t watch this anymore! He has the eyes of a crocodile

I was trying to figure out why I like Harry as a traitor but loathe Paul. Both will throw other under the bus after all.

I think it's got to be the smugness. Also that laugh Paul did (twice) in last night's episode.

*I got into the series due to the podcast mentioned above. It was my first time listening to the podcast so double winner as that turned out to be great too!

When they originally trailed Series 1 of The Traitors I didn’t think it was for me so hadn’t experienced or really taken any interest in any of the hype around it. After listening to the podcast I binged Series 1 in three days, lay awake mulling it over (this shocked me) and now DH and I are watching series 2 together*
@ChoccyJules I'm exactly the same. I was a bit snobby about it but I love that new podcast so I just thought I'd give it a go and watched Season 1 in a few days. I think it's a fascinating insight into human behaviour. I'm actually learning quite a lot from it. I've always been capable but outspoken at work and this hasn't helped me I don't think. If I was in the traitors I think I'd probably be right about stuff, but instantly murdered... It's making me reassess the way I behave! I need to be more Evie!

I’m hoping the worshiping Paul was just a euphoric reaction to getting a traitor, and when they all calm down, they’ll start analysing properly again.

Harry is clever suggesting that a traitor could be voting against a traitor. If they’re clever, they’ll realise this is what happened with Ash as well.

Diane proved not to be so clever, she was actually wrong in her traitor suspicions. Only Zack and Jay are being analytical now. The rest are just following the herd, and listening to who shouts the loudest. Paul has realised this and hence was the first one to speak at the round table, although Miles counter offensive (which nearly worked) was sublime.

@Sandpitnotmoshpit I'm exactly the same!

Hopefully they will recruit Zach. Everyone else on their list is team Paul.

I do wonder if there are others that see through Paul but aren't saying anything.

How much do the producers direct it? They need to space the finding of the traitors out a bit to keep up the emotional drama.

I think I read in one of the non UK series that there was someone that they all knew was a traitor but held off voting til over halfway through. I won't say which for spoilers, but there was no hint of this in the edit.

Thing is thinking they are "probably be right about stuff" is very standard behaviour for the contestants. As we have seen! If you don't know for certain that Paul's a traitor then you won't spot his fake actions and hamminess as easily. Especially if you don't know them and could just think that's their personality.

Diane was convinced she was right when she was wrong a few times. (Anthonyl). Only time she got it right was too late for her and was due to hard evidence of being handed a drink.

Does show though that the game is very much the traitors to play. Voting is mostly stabs in the dark until a traitor turns on another traitor and starts to lead others towards their vote. More 'plain sight' actions for the traitors would even the playing field.

I think the funeral task heavily implicated Paul. I thought at the very beginning that there would very likely be a traitor among those left at the end (and assumed it would be Paul). It would have been pretty obvious that it was Evie who was meant to be on the carriage (if they had got the question right), leaving only Paul and Diane... so surely a very high probability that Paul is a traitor. I'm surprised none of them picked up on this.

I would rather Paul wins than Charlotte, Mollie and Charlie, the sheep who will no doubt be carried to the end, like last year. Though Andrew could also be included there.

Didn't someone pretend the traitirs had tried to recruit them but they'd turned them down?
@AnImaginaryCat that happened in the Aussie one, not sure about any others.
Can't remember his name, but one of traitors pretended he turned down being recruited - iirc it was his downfall because the other traitors were like WTF??? and turned on him.

I loved last night's episode! Was shouting at the table for people to turn onto Miles' side and against Paul, alas..... 😔
My big worry now is Paul's statement... if I'm wrong about Miles then banish me tomorrow.... they're so clueless that they won't banish Paul now. A bit of critical thinking people!!!!!!!!!!!

My favourite part last night was Harry's little aside to Zach... do you think it's two traitors going at each other?

It very much is a traitors game. Both of the banished traitors have been thrown under the bus by Paul. He instigated both banishments.
It is very difficult for the faithful to work out who is a traitor. They don’t know these people so have no idea how they react when under stress, lying, telling the truth etc.
I agree that Paul should make it as a pantomime villain he would be great.
I think it’s clear that to survive as a faithful you have to not out a traitor early on.
My plan would be to keep the traitors on board. Let them think I don’t suspect them until much later on in the game. If you banish a traitor, they will only be replaced by another traitor and it would be hard to work out who the new traitor is. The problem then is avoiding being murdered.
I do think Jaz still suspects Paul but he can’t keep dragging his name up without risking being murdered.
I think there should be another murder in plain sight, to help the faithful.
Also how attractive is Charlotte, she is stunning. She might well be playing the game of keeping your friends close but your enemies closer.

Same here they're really annoying me and seem to be key cheerleaders of Team Paul

However I would far rather Paul won than them as he's playing a much better game than they are where they are just following along like sheep. I thought Charlotte was going to be good in the early stages of the game but she's been disappointing, her almost idolisation of Paul seems to be blinkering her.

This is why it would be really interesting to see it without knowing who the Traitors are - would we be as blind to Paul if we didn't see him in the diary room etc?

Wonder what he will do with Harry, I think Harry is starting to see Paul as a threat but is Paul starting to see Harry (who deserves to win) as a threat?

I wish Jaz and Harry and even Zach were all on the same team as they're the only ones remaining who deserve to win (and I'd probably include Paul in that as he has been very convincing, up until last night I think his smugness let him down) but most of the sheep were too sheepish to notice

Uncloaked showed that Diane was very surprised when she found out Miles poisoned her. She obviously wasn't that sure at all. It was clever of Paul to taken that tiny snippet of suspicion and grow it so he could take out Miles.

Salesman. Paul can talk the hind leg off a donkey, unlike Anthony and Jaz. Who are also handicapped by the fact that people seem to be conditioned to trust tall white men and sweet blonde women.

Great episode last night , very creepy!
Ross should have listened to his mum ,she pointedly said she suspected Paul instead they are all shouting well done to him, jumping around when Miles went out!
Glad Miles pointed the finger at Paul but his card was marked from when he offered to give Diane the poisoned chalice .
Enjoying the double twist going on , not just of Traitors and Faithfuls but also between Traitors, I’m team Harry hope he can outwit sneaky Paul and his fake crying, although I do like Zach and Jazz, I still want Harry to win!

I think we naturally assume that the Traitors have the upper hand in this game, but I’m thinking more and more that the power is with the Faithful - if you can sit back and keep your head down eventually the Traitors start turning on each other.

@CaveMum

I think 1 traitor has the ability to have the upper hand. True The traitors are at risk from both the faithful and the other traitors but in Harry's case, they are so firmly convinced he is a faithful he could easily get through to the end. As with both UK and Australian versions, it seems ti be the least switched on faithful to make it through to the end, partially as they are often so blindingly loyal to the traitors and also because they never have the confidence to put names out there so aren't seen as a threat. Traitors also know they can 'play' them

Yes but she was right is what I mean - and due to the fact he handed her a drink in a less than standard way. So a more certain reason. (I suppose I should really say actual or solid evidence than certain!)

she did suspect Ash didn't she? but that was based on less solid evidence.

What I'm.really pointing out is that most of the contestants think they are right - and generally only are by chance. (Especially at the start.)

Only in the later part of the game when Wilf forcibly recruited Kieran. Alex was invited to join, refused and was subsequently murdered, but the Traitors could have chosen to leave her.

I don't think people should be forcibly recruited, even if it does mean the Traitors probably will off them if they refuse. They should be able to stay, say they got invited and do some damage that way.

Yes, Ross completely wiped that from his memory didn't he.

I was confused by Jaz’s vote but interesting theory up thread that he may be trying to divert attention from Paul until he’s got fewer people to convince. Unfortunately I think he will get banished or murdered before he gets his chance to reveal.
Did anyone else get ‘Peaky Blinder’ vibes from the funeral theme ? - so macabre but great TV. Agree that whoever came up with that is twisted.

I think Jaz was a bit confused last night and genuinely didn't think it was Miles. He thought there were 2 Traitors left- Paul and Harry- so confused at another one. He may or may not realise there were 3 or he might move off Harry now.

I am of course just guessing at his thinking and hope there is a lot going on in his brain!