MAFSUK thread 6 - The land of the wet and sticky looking. Où est JJ? They seek him here. They seek him there. Wherever has he been? Ella is sporting a new merkin and a new bald bloke is on the settee looking pink and smug. Grab yer skull buttons…

[SheldonesqueTheBstard]

You are in for a bumpy ride on the plane the plane

On the plus side: Roz and Laura showing their true colours in a good way. Both trying to calm things down and look out for people. Laura is showing a lot more emotional maturity over the course of the show then you would have thought possible from her first episode.

Bianca had obviously previously been giving JJ the benefit of all the doubt, and had been in denial about his reaction to her, but her reaction was spot on. She stood up for herself and said what needed to be said. I feel like she has the right mix of being able to stand up for herself, and being willing to be generous and accommodating, that helps to make a long-term relationship work well.

As for the rest..

JJ is such a coward. He's likely going to say some rubbish about wanting to pursue a relationship with Ella next week, but he wasn't even able to have an honest word with Bianca before the dinner party. He's never going to put himself out of his way to do anything for anyone in any relationship, if it makes him feel uncomfortable. He's not ready for a relationship with anyone.

Ella, again, just isn't ready for a relationship with anyone. I think that Nathaniel did make some effort with her, but she wasn't able to drop the bluster with him for long enough for them to build any sort of emotional connection.

Luke, unfortunately, is going to hurt Jay. You can see by the way he spoke about not moving, and his excusing of JJ, that he doesn't hold himself at all responsible for how his actions and decisions affect Jay. His line will be something like, "If I had to compromise to make it work then it wasn't meant to be."

Not sure what is going on with Tasha. You'd hope that she would trust Paul enough by now to be able to talk with him about it so that they could work out where that is coming from. But looks like trouble.

Not sure about Erica. I have a feeling that this feud with Tasha is going to run and run, and I think it's just going to make it hard to see what is going on with her relationship with Jordan.

I agree that the continued comments about Mark’s height as opposed to his neediness are a bit unfair. Railing at the choices participants have made over artificial enhancements, hair styles, clothes, behaviour etc is one thing but there is nothing wrong with being short nor is there anything one could do to change it even if there was something wrong with it.

No one is making bad comments about other unchangeable features of participants. Why is height different?

I thought Tasha's apology was genuine enough and basic social niceties nean Erica should have responded with her own apology even if she doesn't have much to apologise for. Tash is emotionally incontinent and the experts should be helping her as I think she sort of knows it.

Erica though is subtly baiting her I think. Interesting with the new girl as she's very attractive and getting on very well with a proper hunk of a man. Both things Tash and Erica won't like and could well have made them a team if they hadn't drawn such strong battle lines.

I think it was a bit weak of Paul to have supported Tasha with her ‘tramp’ comment. You may want to have your partner’s back but that doesn’t mean you have to agree with everything they do and say. Silence would have been better - not letting her down but not condoning the bad behaviour. I can’t imagine Paul really thought it was ok as it clearly wasn’t. No one has to hug anyone they don’t want to hug, even if a hug was swerved (which wasn’t obvious.)

And I’m so done with the ixperts pretending everything is a surprise, even the arrival of new participants to the dinner party. For goodness’ sake…

The Tasha/Erika thing does feel so like there’s something about Erika which massively triggers Tasha. It seemed such an instant loathing.

I missed last night's episode - travelling through StormBabet - played havoc with my viewing schedule. But having caught up with the thread, I feel as though I watched it.

Unless I missed it I don’t remember seeing Paul and Tasha’s in laws dinner. I wonder what Paul’s family think of the loud and brash Tasha

AtlasPine

"I agree that the continued comments about Mark’s height as opposed to his neediness are a bit unfair."

"No one is making bad comments about other unchangeable features of participants. Why is height different?"

Totally correct. No one chooses their height. It's totally wrong.

I feel pretty sure that any decisions about whether to tell Bianca or not were made by production and not Ella or JJ.

I think Bianca stood up for herself wonderfully.

However, I think it's wrong to villanise Ella or JJ. They have all volunteered for a TV show with a proven track record of manipulation and a history of occasional partner swaps.

I think JJ does fancy Ella and wants to see what happens.

I think repeated reference to Ella's trans status is really unpleasant and unnecessary. She has every right to pursue a genuine connect on what has become a dating show/car crash reality show.

Well he obviously likes men as that’s really what Ella is

Why is it unpleasant ? Biologically she is a man . That’s a fact .

I feel pretty sure that any decisions about whether to tell Bianca or not were made by production and not Ella or JJ.

This most definitely!

The only thing of note about Ella is that she is a transwoman you can't call her nice, friendly, supportive, charming, intelligent, funny or any other personality trait as she doesn't appear to have them. She's dysfunctional, hyper sexualIsed, and desperate to prove she's an attractive woman and that desperation comes from being trans if you ignore or don't talk about that we really can't discuss her at all.

Just watched last night's episode and I enjoyed it in a way that you can enjoy car crash reality tv, but did feel very sorry for poor Bianca. She's well rid of JJ. I felt that Ella was thoroughly enjoying being the centre of attention and found the statement about being a girls girl ridiculous.

I agree about the comments about Dan's height, but someone should also tell all the brides that go on this show who are absolutely obsessed with getting a tall man. Usually it's the first thing they ask for... why is it such a big deal. I work with a woman who was just the same and when I asked her why she was so gung ho about it she said it was so she could wear heels and still sort of reach up to kiss him. Seems like the perfect basis for a long term relationship. You know, much more important than the other person being 'nice', 'sharing values', being 'financially responsible'....

Mark..... not Dan, is there even a Dan?

Sumthingsweet it's really unpleasant, yes she is trans openly so. It's constantly taking one aspect of a person and using it again and again against her. Like if a person were adopted and it was felt necessary to constantly mention it and draw unpleasant conclusions.

Tontostitis I do know lots of women looking for validation from men, we cannot know of all that motivates a while person.

whole person.

I’m reading this thread and realising that despite watching the show, I’m a bit confused about everyone’s name!

I feel a bit sorry for Ella, her husband clearly didn’t like her and just spent the whole time trying to tell her to be someone else. I got weird vibes from him from the off, the whole performance yesterday felt very much designed to have his moment.

JJ very much is like a teenager. I totally believe that he fancies Ella just because she’s got fake tits and he wants to try out a trans person. He seems very juvenile and I think not being upfront with Bianca just shows him to be childish. He couldn’t quite bring himself to say I don’t fancy you, perhaps more childishly than intentionally spiteful.

I don’t think Ella and Jj have done anything that wrong tbh. They’re both in couples that weren’t going anywhere and got out as soon as they could. It’s most sad for Bianca but JJ doesn’t have to stay with her tbh, he was clearly not interested! And I agree, they were probably told to create a scene at the dinner so couldn’t talk to each other privately or did, but had to create a scene anyway.

the tattooed girl (jay?) and her husband, I’ve been getting a vibe from him since kissing Porsha. I really like her but I think her sister is right, she’s a people pleaser. Nit you’d for someone like him who is a bit over bearing.

Tasha has made a complete fool of herself but I really dislike the new girl. She’s going to goad Tasha now and Tasha is going to fall for it every time.

RobynRB I think the height thing is cultural. It's all those Mills and Boons where the woman looks up into his steely grey eyes, or whatever!

I think tall is a big deal because I don't find men smaller than me attractive.

F**k me as an adopted person I find that a shocking analogy.