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JenniferBooth · 03/10/2023 14:45

Tonight 9.30pm. Based on the Sue Gray report telling the story of what was happening during Covid 19 inside 10 Downing Street including the lockdown breaching parties.

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Roussette · 04/10/2023 23:09

vjg13 · 04/10/2023 23:02

Why weren't they worried about catching or transmitting COVID? At times I felt nervous when people walked by too closely outside.

I agree

And I bet it was rife there. But of course we wouldn't be told about that

curaçao · 05/10/2023 04:36

vjg13 · 04/10/2023 23:02

Why weren't they worried about catching or transmitting COVID? At times I felt nervous when people walked by too closely outside.

Well that is the entire point isn't it? They knew that covid was no danger to them , but continued to impose restrictions on the rest of us

WestwardHo1 · 05/10/2023 07:29

curaçao · 05/10/2023 04:36

Well that is the entire point isn't it? They knew that covid was no danger to them , but continued to impose restrictions on the rest of us

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This is the main point I'm getting

They knew that young healthy people were in general at very low risk from Covid. If it had been "the big one" as we were constantly being told there's no way on earth they would have been acting in this way. It confirms the suspicion that loads of it was rules for rules' sake, that loads of it was damage limitation when they realised the modelling was wrong, and that they were trying to make people feel personality responsible for their catastrophic style of government, which meant that the health of the nation and the NHS was utterly unfit to withstand any kind of pressure. Yes we all realise that for some Covid was dangerous and that "some" of 67 million people is actually a large number. However there is NO justifiable reason for those disgusting "look them in the eye" adverts for example, or for "don't kill granny" slogans, or for the constant chopping and changing messages from people who were manifestly unfit to be in charge.

Ginmonkeyagain · 05/10/2023 07:36

It can both be true that covid was barelt any risk to that particular cohort but a big danger to the wider popualtion.

They were on the whole young, healthy people from very well off backgrounds, so at very low risk of getting sick from covid.

There are a lot of people in the wider populaion - older, over weight, sufferig from barious conditions that lower their immunity who were at serious risk of getting very ill if they got covid.

I am fairly young and very healthy and was not scared of covid at all - I was going in to the office on public transport from September 2020. I eventually got covid in early 2022 and it was basically symptomless.

That said I understood that I could be a transmission vector so did what I was asked to in terms of social distancing etc..

Teentrauma · 05/10/2023 07:46

I suppose I had kind of bought into the false idea that the parties (although definitely a violation of the rules) were just a hop and a step away from authentic workplace events, and were full of sober, competant professionals in suits talking quietly at the end of a sensible day's work. Not full-on idiotic good-timing that would be inappropriate in any workplace, covid or no covid.

That's what I thought! We did similar at our work a few times ( had a few drinks in the office at the end of the day and once ordered in pizza when someone left). We thought we were taking a huge risk and were worried about being caught or fined or ending up on the local Facebook page. Finding out what those idiots were actually up to while the rest of us tried to stick to some frankly ludicrous rules that they had made is galling to say the least.

PuggyInTheMuddle · 05/10/2023 07:47

I eventually got covid in early 2022 and it was basically symptomless.

Yes but it was a different variant by then. And we were mostly vaccinated. People catching it were not hospitalised and dying as they were in 2020 and Spring 21.

Ginmonkeyagain · 05/10/2023 07:55

Well my point was more despite being out and about throughout 2020 and 2021 I did not catch covid at all. It was only when the Omicron varient came around I got it (that was the much milder but much more contagious varient)

PermanentTemporary · 05/10/2023 08:39

We don't know that they didn't get Covid, the show didn't include that. Considering it went straight through the Cabinet wuth Raab and others coughing over everyone, and nearly killed the Prime Minister, my guess would be they all had it earlier. But any workplace can have a culture where taking basic precautions is disregarded, the direction on that comes from the top and we know what Johnson is like about preventative safety measures such as condoms.

WestwardHo1 · 05/10/2023 10:12

I'm really keen that this doesn't develop into the usual kind of thread about Covid, I don't know about anyone else? (and I realise I put the post above - I might ask for it to be taken down)

I know we will have different opinions on loads of things about it and that's fine. We can agree that the cavorting in Downing Street didn't reflect any kind of fear though.

Maybe - and this is a genuine suggestion! - they thought it was an illness for plebs?

medianewbie · 05/10/2023 10:37

Ds & I watched this last night. He's a gentle lad, who has ASD, & has learned to let things he can't change wash over him. But he was SO angry. Can I ask (as I currantly have Covid & the little grey cells are somewhat diminished) does anyone else remember, really early on, the Govt pubilishing advice to the NHS that ventilator availability was to be restricted for patients with learning difficulties? I'm sorry if raising this or my phrasing upsets anyone but I clearly remember this at the time & being horrified - I appreciate hard decisions were being made by HCPs buy it was a deliberate policy by #10. I looked online earlier (not very well) but couldn't find anything it I'm sure I've not imagined it. Meanwhile these clowns were giggling & puking in #10.

derxa · 05/10/2023 10:38

WestwardHo1 · 05/10/2023 07:29

This is the main point I'm getting

They knew that young healthy people were in general at very low risk from Covid. If it had been "the big one" as we were constantly being told there's no way on earth they would have been acting in this way. It confirms the suspicion that loads of it was rules for rules' sake, that loads of it was damage limitation when they realised the modelling was wrong, and that they were trying to make people feel personality responsible for their catastrophic style of government, which meant that the health of the nation and the NHS was utterly unfit to withstand any kind of pressure. Yes we all realise that for some Covid was dangerous and that "some" of 67 million people is actually a large number. However there is NO justifiable reason for those disgusting "look them in the eye" adverts for example, or for "don't kill granny" slogans, or for the constant chopping and changing messages from people who were manifestly unfit to be in charge.

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Totally agree with all of that. I feel sorry for young people caught up in the restrictions. Those poor bloody students fined for having a snowball fight FFS.

Roussette · 05/10/2023 12:26

Maybe - and this is a genuine suggestion! - they thought it was an illness for plebs?

Of course @WestwardHo1

That is illustrated by "let the bodies pile high" and "Bollocks" being scrawled across a report on Long Covid by Johnson

vjg13 · 05/10/2023 12:46

Teentrauma · 05/10/2023 07:46

I suppose I had kind of bought into the false idea that the parties (although definitely a violation of the rules) were just a hop and a step away from authentic workplace events, and were full of sober, competant professionals in suits talking quietly at the end of a sensible day's work. Not full-on idiotic good-timing that would be inappropriate in any workplace, covid or no covid.

That's what I thought! We did similar at our work a few times ( had a few drinks in the office at the end of the day and once ordered in pizza when someone left). We thought we were taking a huge risk and were worried about being caught or fined or ending up on the local Facebook page. Finding out what those idiots were actually up to while the rest of us tried to stick to some frankly ludicrous rules that they had made is galling to say the least.

I had too. I found the programme really disturbing and shocking. It should be compulsory viewing in the lead up to the general election!

WestwardHo1 · 05/10/2023 13:37

Roussette · 05/10/2023 12:26

Maybe - and this is a genuine suggestion! - they thought it was an illness for plebs?

Of course @WestwardHo1

That is illustrated by "let the bodies pile high" and "Bollocks" being scrawled across a report on Long Covid by Johnson

As in an illness that only poor fat people living unhealthy Iives eating ultra processed food in crowded conditions etc. I mean I have no idea how these people think, however the more I learn of them the more it becomes clear how genuinely BETTER they believe they are. Almost a different species.

CoffeeWithCheese · 05/10/2023 13:39

medianewbie · 05/10/2023 10:37

Ds & I watched this last night. He's a gentle lad, who has ASD, & has learned to let things he can't change wash over him. But he was SO angry. Can I ask (as I currantly have Covid & the little grey cells are somewhat diminished) does anyone else remember, really early on, the Govt pubilishing advice to the NHS that ventilator availability was to be restricted for patients with learning difficulties? I'm sorry if raising this or my phrasing upsets anyone but I clearly remember this at the time & being horrified - I appreciate hard decisions were being made by HCPs buy it was a deliberate policy by #10. I looked online earlier (not very well) but couldn't find anything it I'm sure I've not imagined it. Meanwhile these clowns were giggling & puking in #10.

I can't remember the exact source but yes, it was fairly well documented around the learning disability advocacy community that this was happening and DNRs were being attached to patient records very liberally for those with LD/ID.

I'm steering well clear of the programme - I'm still incredibly pissed off about partygate so it wouldn't be good for my blood pressure.

medianewbie · 05/10/2023 13:46

Thank you @CoffeeWithCheese . I knew I'd hadn't imagined it. When I feel better I'll try to find a proper source. I found (find!) it very upsetting that some lives were deemed more valuable than others- but I guess it's ot surprising from a PM who advocated :'let it rip', sent infected people I to care homes, & scribbled: ' bollocks' across a long covid report. He should be in prison.

medianewbie · 05/10/2023 13:49

Fir anyone who has the inclination, watch the 1st 2 episodes of the new 'Celebrity SAS' series. Not normally my sort of thing, but it's good to see Hancocks selfpity ('how tough its been for me') & smugness ('I ran the covid response') being wiped away.

AnnieSnap · 05/10/2023 15:53

medianewbie · 05/10/2023 13:46

Thank you @CoffeeWithCheese . I knew I'd hadn't imagined it. When I feel better I'll try to find a proper source. I found (find!) it very upsetting that some lives were deemed more valuable than others- but I guess it's ot surprising from a PM who advocated :'let it rip', sent infected people I to care homes, & scribbled: ' bollocks' across a long covid report. He should be in prison.

I remember. I found it shocking and sinister. It smacked of the Third Reich, but then so much about the Tory Government does. The apathetic members of the general public won’t care until they are coming for them and they find themselves without rights.

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JenniferBooth · 06/10/2023 19:42

I live in North Essex but was horrified at what Leicester was put through. Only three weeks out of lockdown in 2020

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funbags3 · 06/10/2023 20:02

The paltry fines they got compared to the public made my blood boil.

SomeoneInTheLaaaaaounge · 06/10/2023 20:10

I flicked onto it by accident and wept most of the way through. My heart goes out to all of you who lost people.
i am so angry, I’m hoping that we can petition to get those fines for ordinary folk revoked. And Boris for fines £50.
the sheer arrogance and the absolute belief that the rich are just better than everyone else. It’s not just a story it’s a fundamental belief for them.
I will never vote for them.

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JenniferBooth · 06/10/2023 20:11

Yeah £50 compared to that poor bloke getting £14,500 No wonder community relations between the police and the public are at an all time low.

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thenightsky · 06/10/2023 21:58

PermanentTemporary · 05/10/2023 08:39

We don't know that they didn't get Covid, the show didn't include that. Considering it went straight through the Cabinet wuth Raab and others coughing over everyone, and nearly killed the Prime Minister, my guess would be they all had it earlier. But any workplace can have a culture where taking basic precautions is disregarded, the direction on that comes from the top and we know what Johnson is like about preventative safety measures such as condoms.

Nearly killed the PM??? Did it?? Really?? He caught it and was admitted for precautions sake. He was out a week later, walking around. I'm skeptical.

Guiltyfeethavegotnorhythm0 · 06/10/2023 22:06

I was always sceptical of " He nearly died" comments as well . I mean where did it come from ? I think it was his fans that put that about for sympathy .

Lastchancechica · 06/10/2023 22:17

Guiltyfeethavegotnorhythm0 · 06/10/2023 22:06

I was always sceptical of " He nearly died" comments as well . I mean where did it come from ? I think it was his fans that put that about for sympathy .

He did nearly die. It’s absolutely disgusting that you are saying such a thing. Please stop. It’s too Much. He is a human being with small children. Stop the hate.