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MAFS UK 2023 (Spoilers welcome)

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browneyes77 · 26/09/2023 22:44

All chat about MAFS UK, including any spoilers. Completely open forum!!

I’ve been on catch up. As was unable to watch the first few episodes. But am currently catching up. Please feel free to share any opinions, goss and updates here!!

Nothing is off off limits!!

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BIossomtoes · 22/11/2023 09:12

OhComeOnFFS · 22/11/2023 09:04

I don't believe a word of that about them denying her her insulin.

I don’t either. Their insurance would be invalid for a start.

Bouledeneige · 22/11/2023 09:33

Me neither. They carry out risk assessments and will have rigorous requirements to meet on insurance and duty of care. There's no way they'd deny someone self care.

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 22/11/2023 09:46

Perhaps fuelling drama enough for people to go brawling and filming it instead of protecting another cast member/intervening could arguably fall under the same umbrella.

There doesn’t seem to have been much heed paid to duty of care. It isn’t that much of a stretch to believe that they would press for filming to go on during a dramatic moment rather than keeping an eye on a cast member’s needs - whatever they might be.

Even though this series seemed to be all about Ella’s journey, they didn’t show them much care either.

They mismatched couples who wanted completely different things from life or matched those who were all for fame with someone who seemed to be looking for love.

They put stirry questions in the honesty box inviting tension and discord instead of something that could prove helpful.

Not much evidence of duty of care for anyone.

ChampagneVan · 22/11/2023 10:09

Bouledeneige · 22/11/2023 09:33

Me neither. They carry out risk assessments and will have rigorous requirements to meet on insurance and duty of care. There's no way they'd deny someone self care.

Exactly. I'm sure she wasn't locked in a room!

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 22/11/2023 11:24

I am surprised that people who we are told are counsellors behave like this on tv.

The whole thing is engineered to provoke reactions from the participants. It's unprofessional at best and dangerous at worst.

There is no way I'd approach any of them in a professional capacity. I assume they are not members of a governing body?

Mothership4two · 22/11/2023 14:49

I wonder how much control these 'experts' actually have @vivariumvivariumsvivaria? Sometimes they were unaware of events that had occured with the couples. Also Paul hinted that he wasn't in favour of Ella and JJ coming back in as a dating couple.

However I found it baffling that these 'experts' never pulled up Peggy or Laura for their behaviour but continually criticised their husbands or Tasha when she was aggressive, confrontational and possibly physical with Paul. Even with JJ they kept telling him to big up Ella on a daily basis (personally don't think that advice was healthy for either of them) when they really should have been taking Ella to town for her unpleasant and disrespectful drunken antics.

icallitasplodge · 22/11/2023 21:11

Yes it was very worrying that Ella left essentially thinking that not tolerating her abusive behaviour was “not accepting her for who she is, and she won’t change for anyone.”

Plan: Stay shit and single then.

Mothership4two · 23/11/2023 14:30

I have just listened to the eye opening latest Lara on Eyre podcast with Nathaniel. He is not a happy bunny over the way he feels he has been treated by Channel 4! He revealed that he unknowingly went on, what he calls a mate's date, before he went on the show with his real MAFS partner but they didn't continue it as they were both 'going away' (it turns out going on MAFS). They put their pictures up on their SM and then he found out that his date had also been going on the show but had been dropped - he thinks Production thought they might be a set up. Channel 4 denied this but Ella told him about a couple who had met preshow where one was dropped. As we now know Nathaniel then had his arm twisted to go on with a trans woman - he knew she was trans before the show despite her 'reveal' so he felt they made him look stupid. He's annoyed that they weren't actually matched but put together so she could appear on the show and she was the opposite of everything he asked for (very like JJ for Bianca) - he has never gone out with anyone trans and wouldn't want his first experience of doing so to be on TV. On the honeymoon he was going to leave and he was told Ella wanted to apologise so they sat down together and he then asked that the filming stop and most put down their cameras, except one (similar to what Georges said on his honeymoon), that then turned into the argument where he revealed she had been a stripper before - which Channel 4 had asked him not to mention on film but they aired it. He was again pressured to stay on. During the first couple of weeks back after the honeymoons the cast were criticised by Production for not showing enough of their 'personalities' and a story team was brought in. He revealed that Ella continually watched the previous year's MAFS dating couple (Whitney and Matt) recoupling part on their TV. When JJ came in she said she didn't find him attractive ("a gremlin dwarf"). Nathaniel's implication being she and JJ weren't genuinely together (which isn't a huge surprise to me) - she got her emotional story and JJ came over as open minded and accepting - the good guy. During the commitment ceremony where Ella said Nathaniel wouldn't compromise were kept in even though she immediately backtracked and said actually he did, which the group confirmed and said he did a lot. Whitney pulled Ella up for saying he wasn't physical with her - again not shown. He said Bianca looked continually upset and he kept asking if he could go and talk to her but was not allowed even though it wasn't a problem to see the others. Which confirms what Bianca said about being isolated from the group for several days.

In their apartment Ella was always off with the others and never 'worked' on their relationship so he spent most of the time alone except when he had some of the others round for meals etc. He feels he was constantly protective of Ella even after the show but this was not reciprocated. He said Ella is not a bad person and could be lovely but behaved badly and she lied a lot/was false. She went through his phone found an ex-girlfriend and stalked her online. I know she has a legion of fans now, but I really don't like the sound of her one bit (not just because of Nathaniel's POV) - she needs to grow up, have a smidgen of integrity and just be kind.

He also feels that Channel 4 gaslit him, gave a skewed version of his personality and actions along with other cast members especially many of the women in the show. Channel 4 have blocked several of his press articles and podcasts which Lara said had also happened to her. He feels they should have been honest with the cast about what they were trying to achieve - an entertainment drama for ratings. He ended by saying that the Head of Welfare who lied to get him to come onto the show is now Ella's manager, it's also who he rang with his concerns once but she was too drunk to come to the phone. He said he made Channel 4 aware of this possible conflict of interest but nothing came of it. He would not advise anyone to go on the show now.

I have given you lovely people my take so that you don't have to listen but would say it is worth it. It is the least lighthearted of Lara's MAFS podcast and I imagine he is more laidback and funny in real life than he comes across. He's angry and earnestly wants to give his version of what really happened. I hope something good comes out of it all for him.

The more we hear about this year's MAFS the more uncomfortable I am with the way the show is going and their treatment of the people/tv novices who they should be looking after and protecting. It sounds like a toxic show and, although I know I am obsessed with it, I do not want to watch any future series unless they revise their procedures and how they go about making the show. I feel there is a potential for MAFS UK to have a Jeremy Kyle moment where a participant is severely damaged in some way. I wish they would go back to the original format! That would probably lower their ratings a little but they would have more heart.

Turtlerussell · 23/11/2023 20:23

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SheldonesqueTheBstard · 23/11/2023 20:52

Thank you @Mothership4two

Nothing you have said comes as a surprise.

It is a million miles away from how it should be.

Your last paragraph says it all.

They had the colosseum back in the day watching folk be hurt for sport. At least that was honest.

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 23/11/2023 21:03

Nineandahalfonabadday · 20/11/2023 13:02

Thank you so much for posting that @CurzonDax ; I feel terrible for thinking badly about her (shown) behaviour during the show and absolutely livid at the producers on her behalf for endangering her health in such a cavalier way. Tasha's T1 diabetes clearly wasn't as important to them as Ella's fucking "story". 🤬

Hang on. She was actually incredibly aggressively to Erica at the spa. You can't just write off shitty abusive behaviour because someone has diabetes :/

beastlyslumber · 23/11/2023 21:40

He ended by saying that the Head of Welfare who lied to get him to come onto the show is now Ella's manager, it's also who he rang with his concerns once but she was too drunk to come to the phone. He said he made Channel 4 aware of this possible conflict of interest but nothing came of it.

I'd love to know what kind of 'she' the Head of Welfare is too...

theconfidenceofwho · 23/11/2023 22:14

I know @beastlyslumber !

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Mothership4two · 24/11/2023 06:35

I agree @Turtlerussell. Once the show ended they both said that their relationship was physical. Lack of physical intimacy was a huge 'issue' which was continually brought up throughout "Ella's story" with both Nathaniel, JJ and men from her past. I think it is highly doubtful, with Ella's attitude and personality, that she would not have brought that up during filming (I imagine she would have been shouting from the rooftops!) and it is something that would not have been edited out. I have a feeling it is a big fat lie being used to show that they had a 'proper' relationship.

custardcreme77 · 24/11/2023 08:16

Ella calling JJ “a gremlin dwarf" 🤣😂

BIossomtoes · 24/11/2023 08:20

custardcreme77 · 24/11/2023 08:16

Ella calling JJ “a gremlin dwarf" 🤣😂

She’s not wrong. 😂

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 24/11/2023 08:55

Not sure Ella has room to talk about JJ’s face when they have changed their appearance so drastically themselves and could practically be recycled…

BIossomtoes · 24/11/2023 09:08

She can say whatever she likes, just like the rest of us.

kneehightoacat · 24/11/2023 14:03

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Maybe it just didnt go well or was awkward

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 24/11/2023 16:38

It is surprising that the supposed connection wasn’t mentioned on the show given all the need to show everyone that they were validated.

It is entirely possible that it didn’t live up to expectations.

I suppose it is like a very well known fizzy drink and supermarket competitors.

Despite repeated assertions, nothing else can really cuts it.

You might give it a shot if there isn’t anything else about but you would rather have the real thing.

kenyaswhiterefrigerator · 27/11/2023 19:35

Has anyone else listened to Lara's podcast with Luke?

For me it was a hard listen because he raised some serious questions about supporting male mental health as much as women which are very valid.

However, I didn't think it cane across as authentic. He seemed to be passing the blame as much as taking accountability.

Also the boxing match with Jordan is going ahead.

Cynically I'd say not a move by someone who was so traumatised they had to turn to external, self funded, mental health support

Mothership4two · 28/11/2023 08:39

Have now listened to it and 100% agree with @kenyaswhiterefrigerator

Luke comes across as quite the liar who makes lots and lots of excuses and doesn't take any personal responsibility and when he appears to there is always a "but" and a validation of his actions. He is still insisting that Jordan waited for him to leave the dinner party to tackle Jay but it was quite clear that Jordan wasn't involved in the initial conversation that she and Peggy and Georges had (I think) until Jay asked Jordan his opinion. He is also blaming Jordan/Channel 4 for contributing to their break up, whereas Jay said it was lack of communication/commitment on his part and he had the opportunity go back to Jay at then end but chose not to. His lack of interest in Jay was pretty clear at the final dinner - he obviously was not "genuinely heartbroken" or wanting to "rekindle" things with her. He insists that his "bank robbery" comments were edited out of context and he actually said the opposite to what was shown, but that doesn't make sense (to me). If you were having a conversation about how relieved you were to realise you partner wasn't a walkover why would you then go on to further explain/clarify something that you say isn't going to happen? Even with his version he is still saying that someone ie he would cheat in certain scenarios.

I am not sure that Luke is aware he is lying, I wonder if once he has a belief that marries with his version of events or how he sees himself, he sticks to it no matter what. Along with his belief that Jordan wrecked his relationship he is still talking about Jordan "cheating" and "the night of the kiss" despite it now being quite clear that Jordan did no such thing - unless there was more to it than came out and Erica is happy to stay with a 'cheater'. He turned Charlene's comments about Jay consoling him into a men's mental health issue when I am sure that is not what she meant or would ever say - that isn't the way that I took it - she wanted to be with him/he didn't want to be with her/yet she was consoling him. I have heard him on another podcast blaming the production company for his high blood pressure. I expect the situation didn't help but I am pretty sure he had an underlying condition especially as he has to medicate from now on. He is a bit of a catastrophiser - "I am on medication for the rest of my life now!" - yes, me too, which basically involves taking a tablet once a day. Oh and apparently boxing isn't violent!

His 'revelations' weren't particularly revelatory. Having security outside your door after you have attacked another member of the cast isn't a huge surprise. Although I think the production company should have moved them to another building. We all know that Jay 'dumped' him, she said that as well as saying she didn't really mean it/regretted it and gave him an opportunity to try again - so the ball was very much in his court.

I think overall he sounds immature and doesn't ever seem to accept any personal responsibility.

I do agree with him that the production company should take care with and try to prevent men's (and the other cast's) mental health which they don't seem to (as has been discussed upthread) and, as Lara pointed out, some of the men seemed to get it in the neck this year while their partners weren't pulled up for their behaviour. Also agree that "the experts" advice shouldn't be overruled by information through their earpieces (if that happened) - in fact I don't believe any of the cast should have earpieces at all. They shouldn't be engineering events and if Luke and Jordan were "set up" to confront each other then that is pretty shoddy behaviour by the production company as well as potentially dangerous.

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kenyaswhiterefrigerator · 28/11/2023 17:33

@Mothership4two that's a brilliant summary - thanks for putting into words how I felt about Luke after listening.

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