And Just Like That

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Late to this… persevered through it but god, it’s awful. Miranda is sooo annoying. All the woke stuff is just so trite.

I am kind of interested in Carrie’s storyline so will watch to the end but I’m not sure why!

And SJPs hair aka Carrie’s hair, please don’t spoil the illusion by telling me it’s all hair pieces or something…Ditto the others over various SATC seasons, but SJP continues to look fabulous and blessed with amazing locks.

I must watch episode 3. I like Seema. I like the posh school mum friend, Lisa. And her MIL. And her husband, actually. More Harry, please. Charlotte’s daughters, no. Anthony had been reduced to catty one-liners. Which he’s brilliant at, but can we have more of him? Yeah, Seema’ stay hairdresser is funny. But surely that’s Anthony’s job? Charlotte’s face. WTF? She’s talking with a distracting lisp-scenario… And she has crazy eyes. Such a shame!

Miranda. Where are Steve & Brady now? She just fucks off to LA, and that’s all okay? I like that Che is an annoying dickhead. It’s true to life. The fat crying thing, that can’t be real… Surely she’s gaslighting Miranda? Her Ex looks interesting, though… I think Che is dangerous, so I’m hoping for some badness from her. Everything is so PC, there’s just no edge. And no drama! Or laughs. Miranda’s college friend had such potential, but her storyline is just terrible.

The absolute worst character is Carrie, though. Her dialogue is all of these nicely rounded metaphors & sound bites. She actually talks just like the advertorial that she refused to do. And everyone list their job because of her? And she didn’t give a fuck! Just left the building with her mug. And then had a polite break-up with Podcast Guy. Where are the tears, the snots, the angst? And she was too nice to Smoke. She should have lost the plot, it was the freaking MET Ball.

WRT the schoolboy/MILF thing. I think the writers are either child free (ie have no idea about safeguarding and how puke inducing this all is) and/or just massively egotistical, fantasising that 16 year old boys would lust after women in their late 40s and 50s. Yes, I'm sure many teen boys have crushes on young teachers and stars in their 20s and 30s, but really, I am sure most teens consider women beyond those ages to be completely invisible, unless it's their mum. (I'm in my 50s, btw).

I'm sort of wondering if the 3 core stars, in their exec producer roles, have some hand in the storylines they are being given. Clearly this is happening with Cynthia Nixon. So I wonder whether Kristin Davis - somewhat bruised by all the criticism over her face - has had a hand in an (otherwise pointless) story where she is the object of lust for very young men, and considered very beautiful and desirable (by a demographic absolutely not interested in the programme, so will never be critiquing it).

There were, if you think about it, similar-ish storylines in the popular shows of the 1990s. Dawson's Creek, Pacey and his teacher; Friends, Monica and the young man she thinks is in College, but is actually a high schooler. And indeed, in SATC, with Samantha Jones bedding college freshman, Sam Jones. The difference is that, in all 3 of those examples, there was at least recognition that it was wrong and a completely ick. Even in the SATC episode, Samantha says to Carrie something like, "I think I'm going to bed that young virgin. What do you call that, when an older woman deflowers a younger man...?" And Carrie's swift as you like reposte is, "Statutory Rape?!"

Maybe the writers, producers and director, MPK, are all just stuck in the 1990s, and don't realise that culturally we have moved on hugely, especially wrt child welfare and the vulnerability of teens in particular to older, nefarious influences. I cannot imagine any sane mother of a teen thinking being on a MILF list and checking out teenage men is remotely normal.

Although, I will say that there's an interesting juxtaposition of the school being super vigilant about the welfare of the young man in question and his being objectified, but completely complicit in Rose transitioning and keeping this from her parents until it's a fait accompli.

Although, I will say that there's an interesting juxtaposition of the school being super vigilant about the welfare of the young man in question and his being objectified, but completely complicit in Rose transitioning and keeping this from her parents until it's a fait accompli.

Thats a really valid point actually. The school were happy to keep Rose/Rock's transition a complete secret from the parents but as soon as a list is found out, there are meetings called about it. Just another sign of the inconsistency of the writing.

Yes, I'm sure many teen boys have crushes on young teachers and stars in their 20s and 30s, but really, I am sure most teens consider women beyond those ages to be completely invisible, unless it's their mum. (I'm in my 50s, btw).

DS is 18, i am 51, and he thinks I am ready for a home:) Honestly, women in their 50s do not figure on his radar.

Kristin Davis used to be so pretty. What has she done to her face?

Was rewatching SATC and the one where Big gives Carrie a Judith Leiber duck purse! Loved that. It was SO ugly. Big was a real pig.

@NeedToThinkOfOne Im sure I’ve seen Sarah Jessica say in interviews about films she used wigs to protect her own from over styling damage. Not sure that’s the case here but I also remember back in the day the stylist said they tried to give the characters in SATC styles that looked like the character had done their own hair. Possibly excluding events I think?!

Kristin Davis used to be so pretty. What has she done to her face?

I understand that she's wanted to maintain her looks by having work, but I've seen better, more subtle, work on people her age and older, and from local doctors/nurses/aesthetics clinics. She'll have had access to the best.

My theory is that that's not always a good thing and she's had too much and gone too far along with bad advice. Her lips are the badly done, as are her cheeks, IMO.
Though in fairness to her they've all three (inc SJP) had something done, and Botox minimum

I was just reading this article and it's so close to what we've all been saying in here.

www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-features/and-just-like-that-che-diaz-sara-ramirez-hbo-trolling-cynthia-nixon-1234780827/

Love the Jar Jar comparison - spot on.

That was a surprise, Rolling Stone are usually uber woke, but even they hate the odious Che, so it's not rampant phobia at play, just good taste, good manners, and a good idea of what the real Miranda would be like.

I'm afraid that I don't share their optimism that we will see less Che now Miranda has come back to NY. Miranda might have seen Che for the selfish being she is, and she may be remembering who she is, thanks to her new tattoo; but she was more or less begging Che to understand, so still in the thrall. And it will take about 5 minutes for horny Brady to get over his ex and start banging Lily, so she may flee back to LA to avoid that drama - Charlotte's eye rolling and gurning will go into hyperdrive acting that scenario out.

Cynthia Nixon said in a recent interview that shes exactly like Miranda .. so there we have it. I actually hate her more than the Che character.
I thought it was wayyy better than the previous two episodes and at least we don't have to listen to that mindless podcast now. Unless it improves massively I can't see it lasting beyond this season as I am fast forwarding a lot of it. Charlotte can't act, at least the others can.. somewhat but she is so chronically bad.. what happened, she was good in the original series and the films too. It is so over the top.

Did anyone else wonder if it was more than a coincidence that they would open the series staring Tony danza with the Britney/Elton mashup of tiny dancer?

Well, absolutely loved last weeks episode. Real return to form and even a few actual lols. More of this please!

Just watching one of my favourite episodes from the OG series. Cookie's drunk, drunk at Vogue!

Ah, I love that episode - still makes me laugh every time Carrie jumps into the clothes rail as she's trying to make a dignified exit (not easy in heels when you're sober, let alone after a couple of martinis )

That's different I think, teenager transitioning, should only be told to 1 parent or at least not to the general parents, the list affected the parents in the meeting.

And Carrie's dress sense is fabulous no what what age she is.
I never think her clothes are not mostly hideous. The shell covered outfit worn for the recording, oh that was so bad

I really like Carries style. Because to me, she wears the clothes. The clothes don’t wear her.

they suit her (and SJP)

You've misunderstood @thebellagio 's point and mine. When she says The school were happy to keep Rose/Rock's transition a complete secret from the parents, she's referring to Charlotte and Harry, not the wider school community.

Rose/Rock transitioned in school with the support of the school and behind the backs of Harry and Charlotte. All the children in class knew and so did all their parents. The only reason Charlotte found out what was going on, was because in a Zoom meeting with other parents, they kept referring to a person called Rock, and she asked who they were talking about. The parents were embarrassed to realise that Charlotte had no idea Rose was going by the name Rock. The school did not call in Charlotte, she had to approach them. The school had Charlotte's back over a stupid MILF list and proactively took action to keep her and the other women informed; but not so over the welfare of her own child, and her right, as the parent, to know what was happening to that child was disregarded by the school.

@Indigodreaming there are too many negatives in your comment for my poor tired brain to understand but I think you're saying her clothes are bad? I completely disagree and actually really loved the top with the little shells on it. It was kind of a chaotic look maybe but her brain was also chaotic and struggling to cope with the recording so maybe a reflection of that? I love her style in AJLT.

You've misunderstood @thebellagio 's point and mine. When she says The school were happy to keep Rose/Rock's transition a complete secret from the parents, she's referring to Charlotte and Harry, not the wider school community.
Ah, OK my bad, sorry

DaisyDaisyDaisyDaisyDaisyDaisy · Yesterday 23:21

@Indigodreaming there are too many negatives in your comment for my poor tired brain to understand but I think you're saying her clothes are bad

I changed my sentence while writing and completely fucked it up!
I think mostly her clothes are horrible in the 'trying to hard' camp. But I don't like a lot of fashion either so....

'I really like Carries style. Because to me, she wears the clothes. The clothes don’t wear her.

they suit her (and SJP)'

SJP could wear the hell out of any outfit. She looks amazing in everything. Very good point that she always looks like she's wearing the clothes instead of the other way around

She wears the clothes like she got them from primark which is the trick

And of course she has an amazing figure.

Even though I don't like a lot of the clothes, I do think she wears them well

Finally caught up with episode 3 last night. There seems to be an attempt to make the audience like Che, making them appear a bit more vulnerable possibly? But it's not working - just coming across as whiny/needy and a character the audience is not remotely invested in anyway - so wish the producers would just drop the whole thing.

And I didn't buy the idea that Miranda is inept with technology. She had a Palm Pilot in SATC which she was very excited about and tried to get the others to share her interest - which they didn't: as I recall, it culminated in her abandoning their breakfast as she was so exasperated that intelligent women should have nothing better to talk about than their boyfriends. Ironic, given that she now seems to have morphed into the type of woman she once so derided. I will watch Ep 4 this week but if it doesn't get any better, I won't bother with the rest.

Just been rewatching that episode in SATC, where Miranda wants to talk about her Palm Pilot. She was always the most intelligent and least needy of them all, the least in thrall to useless men. Now she is a simpering idiot who follows Che about like a lost puppy, being kicked every so often. If someone moved coasts for me, I would be a lot nicer to them than Che is to Miranda.

Btw, I read an article- can't find it now- which said that SJP insisted on a no-nudity clause for SATC and I presume AJLT, which is why she is the only one with a bra in bedroom scenes.

I think Charlotte is the loser in the fashion stakes - they've got her dressed like an overgrown Disney princess most of the time. I saw a new trailer last night, and it looks like she might be going back to work - causing some family conflict, possibly. I hope she does get a decent story line (and wardrobe) out of this plot development.