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If no-one else gets there first

Very disappointing that the men are happy to talk to the camera about Harrison but won't call him out publicly. FairPlay to Claire, Mel and Evelyn. Did anyone see when Hugo and Tayla walked by into the dinner party that Jessie had moved seats to by Harrison and was laughing and joking with him.

Yy I noticed that although I thought Harrison had moved beside Jesse. It felt really off considering how emotional and upset Jesse had been when discussing his relationship. Then he was suddenly all chatty and happy with Harrison.

Just caught up - can I join the Pimple-Popping Expedition please?

Oh I missed that. Disappointing Jesse.

Claire didn't do much to reassure Jesse - I just don't think she fancies him :(

I don’t know if they film on the second floor of the warehouse where the dinner party is but if they do I don’t understand how someone have just picked Harrison up mid smirk and thrown him out of the window yet.

I have really warmed to
Jesse but initially he really took the piss out of Claire - he mimicked her because she was enthusiastic about things and made her cry - he wasn't nice initially so all the Jesse love now is irritating me a little - plus all the "icks " he had all prefaced with the word "chicks"

Chicks in their phones
Chicks using filters
Chicks with a pulse yadda yadda .....

Initially he really annoyed me .

And no one has commented on country boy (the one with lyndell) getting his hair out after Tayla has flirted with him saying he's her type etc etc - I really wondered if he changed his appearance to impress tayla .....

I think they’re both being cautious with each other.

Harrison looks so pleased with himself when Jesse spills. Horrid man.

I totally agree. Jesse was absolutely HIDEOUS at first. Even when Claire kissed the other guy, it was at the point when he was being vile to her and it looked like there was never going to be a relationship. Of course it was wrong for her to kiss another groom, but I'm afraid I didn't feel sorry for Jesse at the time.
It did give him a great opportunity for a character change though....

100%
This makes me understand why my ex husband got away with destroying me and my reputation where we used to live, turning himself into the victim. I never understood quite how he got away with it until watching this and seeing that people just don't stand up to these men!!!

Even on here, posters are manipulated by Harrison. Everyone, including Clare and Jesse, had moved on from their issues at the start. A few words from Harrison and it's all being rehashed again. That's how people like Harrison operate in RL. It's like living, breathing internet trolls. They identify any issue that could provoke strong emotion and use it to deflect and rehash so people are too busy being distracted to hold them accountable.

Clare's an angel, not once has she thrown it back at Jesse how he ridiculed her at first, listing all the icks and mimicking her.

I'm not convinced Jesse fancies Clare, If Adam hadn't shown interest in Clare then Jesse would never have either.

His displays of affection in front of the camera always surprise her, because he doesn't do it in private.

I don't think Harrison got into his head. He just saw the perfect opportunity to get out of moving back in with Clare, with the added bonus of blaming it all on her again.

I hope they show his awful behaviour at the reunion.

I disagree that we are being manipulated by Harrison. What posters are saying is that the reason why Claire had a kiss with Adam was because in the first 2 weeks, Jesse was utterly vile to her. He showed no signs of so much as liking her at first- that we were shown on TV. I do not remember seeing this being acknowledged either by the experts or Jesse himself.

I do think that Jesse was in the defensive mode at first because he was scared of letting someone in, which is why there was all the shushing, the icks and everything else. However it is not fair for all blame to be at Claire's feet all of the time over a drunken kiss and a flirt.

I don’t get that with Jessie at all. I don’t think anything he’s said or done shows us he is inherently unkind. His icks, sushing and repeating her annoying speaking habits etc were him trying to express genuine feelings, rather than with intention to embarrass or put Clare down.
Compare that to the way talked to him re the mystery mobile call.

Clare has never really wanted a needy complicated bloke. She’s impressed by his guitar skills and I think she’s sees he’s a decent guy but she prefers easier fare. Look who is the most upset. It’s not Clare, she agreed with Jessie that she wasn’t still there because she fancied him.

I am a bit scared of Melinda’s smile. How can you argue with that. Whilst the lads don’t trust Harrison he must be a really fun bloke to be around or something. How are they not just calling him a bellend like we are? Baffling.

Run for the hills Duncan, the Scottish hills!

I agree that Jesse's behaviour during the honeymoon and early days of the relationship is frustratingly forgotten. But I'm uncomfortable using it to sort of justify Claire's behaviour.

Both behaved badly and hurt the other in different ways. Both ultimately 'owned' their actions and and the relationship moved on. Claire, as far as we know, hasn't referred back to Jesse's actions which is to her credit. But Jesse's insecurity, fueled by the group's response at the time and Harrison lobbing it back in at the dinner party, is stopping him moving past it.
Maybe Claire was motivated to stay for damage limitation to her image but I don't think it's that alone. Could be completely wrong of course.

I see Jessie’s thinking as ; we’re married now, what are reasons it won’t work.
Whilst Clare is opposite ; what are the reasons we should be together and why should we stay married.
She was put off that he found fault so quickly but I think he’s just too complicated for her and in truth, content in his own company.

They all knew they were going to be on a tv show. They all knew they were paid a daily fee. The tv series was on for years previously- they all know the score and that the ones with the biggest dramas get more famous. They’re all motivated by that, not the marriage. 90% of them would have walked long ago otherwise. And the cameras only show us 5% of what they’re filming, and that’s the most explosive bits. I haven’t watched this since lockdown and this series feels like I’m watching Towir and they’ve all been told what to argue about - hence why people are angry one minute and laughing and smiling with their enemy the next. And I am getting really annoyed at myself for watching it!

No-one here said that Clare should accept Jesse being an arse on the honeymoon. And no-one here said Jesse should suck it up that Clare snogged someone else then collaborated with that someone else to make Jesse look like a jealous loon. But I also think no-one here would be discussing this again if Harrison hadn't tried to distract from his behaviour by targeting Clare.

Harrison hasn't gone for Lyndall and Cam because Lyndall is the only woman not to publicly criticise him and his relationship with Bronte.

@awaynboilyurheid if you can get Duncan to come to Scotland, I might just forgive him for patting Harrison's back

😂 😂 😂

I think we're all aware that this was caused by Harrison being a dick and diverting the attention but we're talking about it because of Jesse's reaction to it.

Harrison tried to throw Layton under the bus too, but Layton and Mel stood up to him and didn't fall for it. Which is why we're not talking about them.

Not forgetting that Jesse then ended up sat next to Harrison. And that Harrison was the one he confided in after Clare told him about the kiss.

Awful thing to go through.

I think that’s why I’m fascinated too as my ex h was a tricky twat and I just didn’t get how no one pulled him up on his behaviour.

I asked DH once about men not pulling another man up for bad behaviour, He said quite often it's because it can be volatile and when it's two men it's more likely to tip into physical violence than if a woman (not a partner) pulls up a man in public.

I have real doubts about Jesse, if he really cared about Claire, why would he bring all that up at the table, it’s kind of humiliating.
He likes the air time, contrary to what he tries to present