MAFZ OZ UK pace 2 - no spoilers!

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Thought I'd make a new thread ready for tonight's episode...we've managed to fill the first one already!

Melissa screamed at Josh, “I’m speaking for all women!”

She’s definitely not speaking for me!

She totally misunderstands why people don't argue back to her. She thinks she intimidates and she's such a strong woman but it's not that it's the fact that no one wants to argue with a batshit sexpest🤷‍♀️

It was the same when she went OTT when talking to the other women and 9.5 couldn't wait to get away from her

See the stupid thing is Josh was intimate with her, early doors. He's perfectly capable of being intimate, he just doesn't like it shoved in his face every five minutes if he doesn't meet her frankly batshit expectations.

My only concern is that I think Josh showing the intimacy side early doors (and maybe lying about it) has caused Mel to completely flip her shit and over analyse every missed interaction. I think she feels devalued (from the lying) and has upped the stakes in an effort to bring it back round (she needs validation) except she's doing precisely the wrong thing - she needs to give space, time to grow emotionally etc.

He values emotional intimacy above physical intimacy which was why the Lego task worked well.

She has absolutely no grounds for accusing him of lacking intimacy, or making any kind of personal judgement against him - she barely knows him, Her inability to communicate rationally what she is trying to say (I'm insecure, I'm needy) is becoming abusive and is causing Josh to probably behave in ways he would prefer not to (eye rolling, snide comments) - it's just fucking toxic already.

It kind of reminded me of the shit way my ex DP and I would interact at the end of our relationship. I probably behaved a bit like Mel in that it was clear as day my ex had issues and I'd tell him what they were - the difference being that I'd been with him bloody years and witnessed his shit behaviour toward me. I certainly wouldn't have ever given someone a lecture after a couple of weeks.

Oh and Harrison is a weapon grade cunt.

That's the next thread title, right there.

Will Harrison be here for the next thread? Was Bronte packing her bags?

Watching Harrison is really uncomfortable. I think he is dangerous. He's destroying women. Brontë knows he's a twat, but if I was her I'd be wondering why the experts didn't see him for what he is before allowing him onto the show. She says all the right things and seems to see through him, but she's being abused and probably still doubts herself and her version of events somewhat.

I'm finding watching Mel and Josh very uncomfortable viewing. I hate her screaming at him he seems a lovely guy and too good for her.

I am massively impressed with Jesse. He has shown more growth and emotional intelligence than most people there. He was a dick, recognised that and is working on changing that. Harrison could learn a lot.

Mel is an abuser. She's vile. Utterly vile.

I fully expect Jesse to say something dickish in the next couple of days but at least he's showing a bit more self-awareness.

I have a sense that Jesse's dickishness are his walls. He was obviously very hurt in the past and therefore now, as soon as he feels threatened, goes on the offensive. That's where all the icks come from as well. They give him a sense of security. They are there to protect him from being hurt.

I'm really shocked that someone Mel's age can't see any way of valuing herself other than by constant attention and sex. It's like the only things thst she thinks validates her.

If she actually toned it down and saw sex as part of the relationship rather than the only part of a relationship she would probably actually get the affection and reassuring relationship wants.

Josh is no prude, they already had good sex early on. He just wants something more than meaningless sex.

Harrison is king of abusive narcissists.

I have never witnessed such an abusive, gaslighter who considers himself such a victim.

What's with Brontë wearing her designer handbag in every shot around the flat?

Finally caught up on the backlog of episodes I had...

Adam is creepy. Don't trust him and his smart (and lack of ability to articulate his job... 🤨). Not fussed on Janelle

Shannon should be thrown out and someone new found for his other half (forgot her name but she seems nice and down to earth)

Josh should run. Very fast.... Mel is excruciating

Hope Lyndall isn't the new Olivia, I like them

9.5 has deffo improved

Harrison and Brontë should just go

I still think there may be hope for Jesse and Claire, although not sure I believe her about Adam and he's been a nob at times but also quite self reflecting

I like Dan and Sandy but hope she can move on with making it a true relationship and not end up friend zoning

Like the young couple and the other two 😄

Do we know if there are late entrants in this series? Hopefully that's not too much of a spoiler!

Nearly spat my Horlicks out laughing at that

Harrison seems indignant that she's said no to his date.
I wonder how many girls he's taken to same place

Harrison being passive aggressive and taking the photo on the date and talking to it...no. Horrible.

And Mel yelling at poor Josh? DP and I paused it to yell at the TV 😂

The bit I find off putting about Melissa is the earnest slightly mumsy approach to sex. She has zero sense of humour. It comes across at the least sexy thing ever. All the crying over not getting a man who can keep up.
She still hasn’t worked out that it’s her, not him.

It was sad that he said he's not used to being hugged, but lovely that he started to enjoy it, so much that he went back to say goodnight just to get another hug. I worry for him, I think Clare will hurt him. Not intentionally, but he seems very all or nothing. So if they make him open up and be vulnerable they need to look after him.

Sadly, think we are being quite manipulated by the producers.

I actually found Harrison quite funny on his date!

He is an utter nob but I think several if them are on it for the likes.

Yes, Harrisons date made me laugh, despite myself

I was surprised to find myself slightly agreeing with Sex Pest in the final convo shown tonight with Josh. Much as I would put the majority of the blame on her, he does come across as very awkward. And I thought tonight she spoke more sense and it was slightly about broader relationship matters.

Only a little glimpse, but a reminder it's not all one sided.

Me three.

But I agree with pp he's an absolute knob for arguing the meaning of the text, plus saying he's sticking by what he said and giving it a go, when she did but then they had another argument.

Jesse and the chocolates and champagne apology was lovely.

Jesse is a good person deep down. His emotions and actions are genuine. He's got it in him to move past previous trauma, but not in a matter of weeks for the duration of the show. More like years. Him and Claire won't work out as he will have setbacks.

I was really furious for Josh when in one of the early episodes the experts suggested they paired him with Mel to get him out of his shell, amongst other reasons. It's just typical that quiet people are never enough. I find him very intelligent and aware, unlike his wife. She needs to reign it in and not vice versa. She's a sex pest and it's not a personality trait but an insecurity.