The Traitors Part 2

[QueenOfThorns]

Don’t sit on the nice furniture if you smell like fish!

i want wilf to win
not kieran
not aaron, who i sussed in the beginning was a likely candidate to win, he even has the sob story of buying his mum a house!

just seen andrea is gone
who chose to murder her and why? was it kieran <<narrows eyes>>

It pains me, but it made the most sense. The others might be banished but she would never be. It doesn't actually pay to be too likeable if you're a Faithful.

i worry that the traitors will vote each other out!

I'm praying for that.

fair point @ReneBumsWombats

i bet they will have masses of contestents now! a strategic game!

There are 2 tactics to take when it comes to the murders as I see it -

1. Take out the strongest candidate/your biggest threat - this only works if you haven’t positioned yourself as a “leader” because otherwise people will start to ask why you aren’t being targetted
2. Take out the “nicest” people - it throws everyone into confusion but it means you risk leaving the “smarter” players in and they may suss you!

I hope Kieran’s videos don’t go viral or make it to the mainstream media.

I’m still fuming over last nights banishment. Agree entirely with the poster who said the strong/aggressive/shouty characters manipulate the rest into getting them to vote the way they want. I don’t like Kieran or Wilf because if this. Shouty men, getting aggressive with the women when they stated a point. They all have to vote for someone. They know it’s a game. Maddie didn’t get nasty when they wrongly accused her.

What a cracking series it's been. I am still team Wilf because he has been a great pantomime villain but sorry Maddy went, as out of the faithfuls I'd like to have seen her win the most, she was great entertainment with her Philomena Cunk lip twists and scatty theories. I agree with those upthread who said she handled her departure with dignity. Kieran is I think the only one of the entire cast who we the viewers can see in a light the rest of the teammates can't, a real nasty piece of work underneath the reasonable persona.

Why has Wilf never been seriously considered as a traitor by the group? He really has played a blinder. Now that Amanda has gone, would still prefer the faithfuls to win.

Amazed that they all think Aaron is more likely to be a traitor - he is an open book, doesn't seem someone who could deceive. Not sure why anyone considers Meryl either - she wouldn't be able to keep it to herself this long.

Kieran could win it - he managed to convince people to vote for Amanda, so he could try similar tactics to get people to vote for Wilf.

I really like it as it is. A bit like BB1, when no-one knew how to "play" the game and not everyone was trying to become a celebrity.
I like that there's a real mix of ages, personalities etc.... not all with the same big hair/skimpy clothes (👀 love island 😠)

I really hope it doesn't become full of wannabes, coming in with their big game plan.

Another ridiculous statement - 'He can't be a traitor, he has children'

The thing with Kieran is that Wilf couldn’t have picked a better piece of bait - the others will remember him gunning for Amanda (and have probably forgotten that Wilf was the one to take out Alyssa).

Wilf seems to have Hannah and Meryl firmly on side so if he can convince them to join him in taking Kieran down they will assume they’ve found the other traitor.

I fully expect there to be a massive twist tonight where Claudia tells them there is more than 1 traitor in the room, but not to specify the number.

It'd be good if they had a round of secret voting, where they got told how many votes people had but not who voted for them, then showed their reactions.

BB1 was so brilliantly pure. None of the contestants had a clue how big the show had become until they left the house. From BB2 onwards it became a Wannabefest.

It's probably the same with The Traitors. This series will be the best. Any follow up series will have a greater percentage of boring wannabes just there to get their face on TV, a stepping stone to Love Island or whatever.

Claudia is superb. She's such a character and genuinely seems to be enjoying the game. Thank god they didn't go for Willoughby/Schofield.

The tasks to win money are shit. I'd like to see more Taskmaster type games where they have to think laterally. Little Alex Horne would actually be my second choice presenter for this.

Can't want for the final.

I think the point of the money tasks is to get them to work together and bond with each other. It makes sticking the knife in at the round table a lot harder for them!

As much as I don't want him to, I think Wilf is going to win tonight. I can't see Hannah and Meryl going against him, they are more likely to think Kieran and Aaron are the traitors. They will name Kieran as a traitor before Wilf, and then they'll think they've unmasked all the traitors.

I think the strategies to get to the final are :

work out who a traitor is and then buddy up to them whilst acting dim as fuck if you are a faithful. do as the traitor directs

take out your fellow traitors if you are a traitor

Once you get to the later stages you want to be on the right side of block voting. So being nice, but dim and not sticking your head up too much works.

Meryl has perfected this. She is nice enough but dull and thats why she's made the final.
Hannah buddied up early on with the right traitor

My expectation for next series is to see it more tactical with faithful perhaps correctly identifying their buddy is a traitor but deliberately trying to keep them in until the late stages as the alliance is more important than getting the traitor out.

What Wilf has been best at is timing and understanding the right moment to make the right move against the right person.

Alyssa was a liability and it become him or her so he ensured he survived.

Amanda made a massive error with Theo and went for him in logic I don't really get. Wilf nearly got caught out doing the same thing with Hannah over the who do you trust game but got away with it because it wasn't a banishment. I don't think he would have had it been.

Amanda's error was noticed and that made her vulnerable. Wilf did take advantage but it hadn't gone unnoticed by others.

I do think that Hannah is the one to watch tonight. She holds the keys to the final.

Her loyalty to Wilf isn't matched by any other relationship in the group. I can't see her shifting loyalty from Wilf to Kieran at this point. Something may happen tonight and she may do, but as it stands Kieran needs to play a blinder to beat Wilf.

There is 5 left and they KNOW there is at least one traitor left. They will keep voting off someone until a traitor has gone. So an alliance between Will and Kieran won't work unless they can both get to the final 3. They both will have worked that out.

The numbers mean that if Will and Hannah can survive the first banishment tonight, its extremely difficult for Kieran to win.

If Will and Hannah survive its 2 v 2.

Both Meryl and Aaron can be manipulated easier, so I think this is Keirans problem. Taking out Hannah gives a better shot at taking out Wilf. But leaving Hannah and teaming up with Wilf to get to the final three works too. He will probably struggle to take out Wilf without taking out Hannah first.

Wilf will want to take out Kieran though I suspect. For much the same reasons. But if he tries this in the first round where he hasn't got the numbers he leaves himself more exposed. He would be better to hedge his bets and take out one of Meryl and Aaron to get to a 2 v 2 situation where the balance of power tips in his favour.

I am therefore expecting the first banishment to target Hannah in someway. Whether she survives determines the game.

@RedToothBrush love the in-depth analysis

Yes, love the analysis @RedToothBrush! 😀

I am so excited for the final tonight, there will definitely be some twists & turns! I think I am most excited to see Hannah's face when Wilf admits to being a traitor She will not be happy!!

How on earth have we ended up with the three thickest faithfuls left? I like Aaron but I don't think he stands a chance against Wilf and Kieran (...but then he's also got two thick faithfuls who he might be able to persuade I guess....)

I can't stand Hannah, found her really annoying for ages. I'm sure the BBC have edited it so it seems like all she says is 'I'm 100% sure Wilf's a faithful'. Meryl just seems to follow what everyone else says and does.

Wilf, well, the little shit, what more can you say?

I hope either Hannah and Meryl are banished and Aaron wins alone (not very likely but who knows? Or Kieran somehow gets rid of Wilf and wins.

@RedToothBrush totally agree. That's why I said up thread that Kieran was a good choice to turn. Wilf needs to plant the seeds against both Aaron and Kieran and then manipulate the voting depending on what Kieran does - if he goes after Wilf then Wilf puts H & M onto him, if it looks like Kieran is going to play the game and aim to keep both traitors in the game then he points them to Aaron. The only issue is that if/when Aaron goes they will know that they haven't got rid of a traitor.

On that thought, my next guess is going to be that a possible twist tonight is that the people being banished are not allowed to say whether they are Faithful or a Traitor until after those remaining have said they think they have got rid of all the traitors and are ending the game.

Ah, love this show!
I feel sorry for Wilf that he chose to trust Keiran over Amanda at such a late stage in the game. I really felt like he should have recruited Hannah, they are so trusted by the team they could easily blindsided the rest.
But he could use this to his advantage, especially if Kieran starts to show his truer more aggressive colours as is happening.
I can't stand Kierans holier-than-thou take on the whole thing, his sulking traitor, when it's the whole point of the game and anyone who was that holier-than-thou would not be playing it!
I really hope he does run off with the whole prize at this late stage.
Nervous for tonight!!

@Sweetpeasaremadeforbees ah but you want to keep the "thickest" ones in as they're less likely to suspect you! You need to break up alliances and sow seeds of doubt, so if you hear person A being vocal about who they think is a traitor (person B) but that you know to be a faithful they (person B) are a good (if that's the right word!) person to murder because that points the finger of suspicion at person A.

You keep your own alliance tight, tactically take one or two of them out via murder as needed - "Look they're targeting us, we must be on to them."

Maybe I should apply for the next Series 😜