William "screamed and shouted" at Harry.

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Ep5.
So that's the big accusation we've been waiting for.

Then a denial that he, Harry, denied William had bullied him and MM.

Denying that you denied it so implying it was true that William was bullying them?

Never liked William anyway. Hope he's never King.

They have plenty of money to just go away and life a very comfortable private life . And that’s what they should do . Lots of families have rows and they try and sort them out like adults not keep on and on about it . Interviews , books, documentaries and apparently more interviews coming up . . All very one sided and accusing. I could say more but it’s all been said and actually unusually one of the best balanced discussions was this morning with Alison Hammond and a member of the press and ex royal worker and a supporter of M and H . I also am of the opinion that when you can tell one lie you can tell a hundred . I just don’t believe a lot of what they say .

Since the Oprah interview with Meghan and Harry has cropped up again, here is several questionable claims they made to Oprah that clearly aren't true.

Claim: "I guess the highlight for me is sticking him on the back of a bicycle in his little baby seat and taking him on bike rides which is something I was never able to do when I was young. I can sit him on the back and he’s got his arms out and he’s like ‘whoah’.” - Prince Harry

Truth: Harry did go on bike rides with his father at various ages. Photos available online.

Claim: Meghan: “[But] you know, three days before our wedding, we got married. No-one knows that.

“We called the Archbishop and we just said, ‘Look, this thing, this spectacle is for the world but we want our union between us.’ So, the vows that we have framed in our room are just the two of us in our backyard with the Archbishop of Canterbury.”

Harry added: “Just the three of us.”

Truth: Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby: “The legal wedding was on the Saturday. I signed the wedding certificate, which is a legal document, and I would have committed a serious criminal offence if I signed it knowing it was false.”

Claim: Oprah: "After their move, Harry and Meghan say security normally provided by the royal family was cut off.”

Harry: “I never thought that I would have my security removed, because I was born into this position. I inherited the risk. So that was a shock to me. That was what completely changed the whole plan.”

Truth: Only a strict few members of the Royal Family were entitled to 24/7 protection at the time of the Oprah interview. These are:

the Queen and Prince Philip
Charles and wife Camilla Duchess of Cornwall
William and Kate and their kids

Working Royals are entitled to protection ONLY when undertaking official Royal duties. Princess Anne and Prince Edward are two examples.

Non-working members of the Royal Family are NOT entitled to official protection. Princesses Eugenie and Beatrice as well as the Queen's eldest grandchild, Zara Tindal are examples.

"Once Harry and Meghan step down as working royals, they become high net worth individuals/A-list celebrities but that doesn’t entitle them to taxpayer-funded security. Elton John has to pay for his own security and so do Harry and Meghan.” - Simon Morgan, a former royal protection officer.

Royal Protection officers are funded by the British Taxpayer.

Both Harry and Oprah clearly pointed the finger at the Royal Family regarding the loss of Royal Protection officers for Harry and Meghan.

In truth, London Metropolitan Police’s Royal and VIP Executive Committee make the decisions over who is entitled to Protection.

And who isn't.

Harry knew very well that ceasing to be a working Royal would absolutely mean losing the elite protection. After all, it was never a secret that various non-working Royals do NOT get armed protection.

So, why would he and his wife?

The truth was clearly distorted by Oprah, Meghan and Harry.

Claim: Meghan: "You couldn’t just go. You couldn’t. I mean, you have to understand, as well, when I joined that family, that was the last time, until we came here, that I saw my passport, my driver’s licence, my keys. All that gets turned over. I didn’t see any of that any more."

Truth: For security reasons, the passports of each member of the Royal Family is looked after until they require them for international travel. That's just commonsense.

To Oprah, Meghan claimed she never saw her passport again until "we came here" which would be California. However, this is clearly a lie as she required her passport for travelling to Canada upon leaving the UK.

And, in 2019, required her passport for travel to the USA for a rather extravagant baby shower which was attended by many of her friends.

All members of the Royal Family require a passport for ALL travel where its required.

Except for the Queen since it's issued in her name.

As proven here: www.royal.uk/passports

I don’t know, but you bet Megzy will be using and levering if the kids get those Tidles.
No “ Just Harry” for her!

Sheezus. At our house we call this a 747.
Right over your head.
I was not referring to you, nor did I say it began with you.
You responded to my response to someone else.
You have a lovely day.

They certainly implied it

Agree with @DownNative so many holes in their version of the truth. It just lacks credibility!

I do - although once you’re in the territory of banana sandwiches I think all bets are off.

I’m baffled why anyone wouldn’t take up any excuse to add butter to anything. It’s just madness I tell you!

Lol @ three separate conversations going on here.

FWIW, I'm lactose intolerant!

Agree with pp who needs the series the threads on it are great. It’s a mess but an amusing one

Takes the mind off the rest of the world etc

I agree with PPs who are talking about the negative spin the media put on H&M and they were right to live a more private life. Harry was desperate to leave and I'm glad he did.

However, the documentary has done very little other than be extremely cheesy and like a lead up to a 20 series run of Keeping up with Harry and Megan. I feel sympathy for the experience they had but am deeply embarrassed for them both in this instance. The big reveal was a family argument FFS!!

I would be happy for H&M if they actually just went about their lives and did all the important things they claim they want to do. British media and an outdated monarchy (PS, Loved Queen Elizabeth II) is not worthy of a Netflix series with all this hype.

The guy went to public school, had Prince Philip for a grandfather, joined the Marines, the army's toughest regiment, fought the Taliban in Afghanistan, and is 'terrified' of his brother?

Jeez.

they lied thrughout and about stupid things-i didnt know who he was when she clearly did

we got married earlier-which the archbishop had to deny

so why shoud i belive anything that comes out of their mouths-and who cares about shouting at each other me and my sister have we dont make it into a drama

I love butter on brown bread and banana sandwiches.

I'll get my coat.

Aye right you are Harry
Does he actually believe his own narrative ?

I don't, for one micro-second believe that Harry was "terrified" by William raising his voice/shouting (probably in exasperation - we've all been there, I'm sure). He was a soldier who served on the front lines twice, for crying out loud. For all the changes in the Army, for all that H was probably cosseted ridiculously (did his protection officers end up put there too...?), there would still be a level of bellowing from his CO(s) throughout that (actual) career. Unless he has PTSD, then being terrified of someone shouting is a little undignified to admit to when you're a 38 year old former soldier, in my opinion.

That alone will render him a laughing stock amongst his former soldier colleagues, I'm afraid.

Not to mention the way in which he blithely denounced the man who is still funding his entire lifestyle (?M's wardrobe) as a liar...! I really hope KC cuts them off at the knees now, never mind stripping them of their titles.

I can't help but think some of this is driven by M's displeasure at the children not being given royal titles when their grandfather became King. That meeting she had with him didn't go the way she presumed it would - so now they're out for blood. H knew that his father's been on about slimming the monarchy down for decades now, though, so he's simply shown himself to be entitled in that regard, too.

So far, the two "spares" (Andrew and Harry) have proven themselves to be entitled, arrogant specimens who each deserve a good slap about the chops. I can only hope that Charlotte doesn't follow their example as "spare" to the "heir"..

Harry says William bullied him as he shouted at him at what now has been called the Sandringham summit. What Harry neglects to say is this summit was hastily called when he and Meghan went ahead and released an official statement saying they were taking a step back from being working royals and would be half in and half out. None of this had been agreed apparently and so it was premature to release this statement before everything had been signed off. I am not surprised at the meeting William was angry with how his brother had gone about things. H and M releasing that statement prematurely sounded manipulative to me.

Also H is saying that at the summit he and M were presented with various choices, one of which was to be half in half out which he said he wanted, but then the palace would not agree and his brother got angry with him so H and M felt they had to leave. Yet this doesn’t add up as it was the fact that h and m went ahead and announced they wanted a half in half out role before it had been agreed. I think it’s understandable the institution- whether you agree with it or not as existing - says a half in half out role would not work with H and M trying to straddle US celebrity with royal duties. Like so much of their narrative, much seems contradictory.

I don’t blame H and M if they say being a working royal is not for them, but it feels like they wanted their cake and eat it and have thrown their dummies out of the pram. And it’s sad because he and Megan could’ve gone to California built a new life and kept ties with his English family visiting in holidays. Instead H & M have seemed to have gone around it in a destructive way.

@ganachee How do you know this? Can you provide a link? Or is this just made up?

M and H may have issues but this is not a good way of doing it. They come across as self centred. USA will soon turn on them. They are trashing the queens memory. Every family has issues and really bad ones as well, no one is that interested.

@BellePeppa
"Personally I think being the spare would be great - all the privileges without the responsibility."
Yes, if I were a member of the RF, I'd would rather be the 'spare'.
Obviously, I guess some of the 'duties' require some boring small talk. Opening supermarkets or visiting various projects may not be everyone's cup of tea. However, in my mind that is prefereable to the state dinners, making small talk with foreign dignitaries, despite the wearing of diamonds, etc.
Except, I dont wear Jewelry anyway, I dislike most of it.

William and Harry who?

They need sensation , but in reality siblings arguing is not news

I'm embarassed for them. I thought they wanted privacy?

I fear that this will not end well.

There are some people who cannot bear to hear the obvious, cannot stand being stood up to, challenged, advised or talked straight to. Because they know the other person is right...but can't bear to admit it as if they did they would lose face. In other words they're in denial...which leads eventually to poor mental health [on top of the problems already evident].

I too thought the rumours of yachting seemed a little far fetched, so googled and this image came up. My photoshopping skills are non-existent so was discussing the picture with my son (he's in his 20's before anyone thinks I'm discussing yachting with a 7 year old boy! 😂). He thought it had to be photoshopped because he recognised the picture of PA as being one that was used on a cover of Private Eye (he's a big fan of that magazine!) & did think it looked like her, so we googled the cover and found it was exactly the same picture.
Whether it actually is MM I don't know. Other pictures that show this woman's face do look like her but are taken with a very long range lens, so a bit blurry.
The Private Eye cover was from 2015, so before MM came onto the royal scene, therefore unlikely that PE would have used her image on their cover for nefarious reasons. 🤷‍♀️

Having watched the documentary I have slightly more sympathy for them than I had before, particularly for the way the press behaved and the clear racism.
As for the family stuff and the links between the various offices of family members and the media, recollections may indeed vary and how can we know what to believe.